Poor dog

[Gizensha]

<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/mers ... 527374.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/mers ... br><br>I'm hoping animal rights activists will pick up on this and call for a reduction in the amount of use sniffer dogs get, but even if there is I doubt it'll go through. Poor dog <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Sky]

Thats a shame.

[norsenerd]

I'm blaming the people who requre there to be plice snifer dogs.<br><br>Drugs are just one big huge problem.

[VisibilityMissing]

<!--QuoteBegin-Gizensha+Aug 4 2004, 01:07 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Gizensha @ Aug 4 2004, 01:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/mers ... 527374.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/mers ... br><br>I'm hoping animal rights activists will pick up on this and call for a reduction in the amount of use sniffer dogs get, but even if there is I doubt it'll go through. Poor dog <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Unfortunately, accidents like this can very easily happen. The way they train these dogs is to associate the smell of the drugs to a toy or to food. The animal will eagerly seek out what it thinks is a good thing, and if unattended ingest the poison.<br><br>Sniffer dogs have their place, though. They're also trained to find disaster victims and dead bodies. <br><br> Until technology gives us something better, I'm afraid the risk will have to continue.

[Gizensha]

What? So robotics is good enough to stop humans going into potentially hazardess environments but not dogs? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--><br><br>...OK, so admittedly I'm not sure how good a sense of 'smell' a robot can be forced to have, but still. What the heck was a sniffer dog left unattended for, anyway? That's just stupid considering, as you said, the way they're trained.

[norsenerd]

How can you atended to a dog 100% of the time?

[Ozymandias]

getting a robot to "smell" would be very hard and expensive. I see nothing wrong with the use of sniffer dogs so long as they are being watched by a handler to make sure that they dont take the substance in. I think that for the greater good it is better for 1 dog to die than for one drug pusher to make lots of money, and have loads of, say, medical students overdosing. I know it sounds harsh, and if there was a way of finding drugs as effectively as without sniffer dogs, then I'd fully support the discontinuation of drugs sniffer dogs (the ones for tracking lost ppl or murders or whatever could still remain), even if the new method was a bit more expensive. Its not like i, or the police, want to see dogs dying unnecessecarily

[Gizensha]

<!--QuoteBegin-norsenerd+Aug 4 2004, 09:42 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (norsenerd @ Aug 4 2004, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> How can you atended to a dog 100% of the time? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> At least in this country, a sniffer dog normally has a handler who stays with it constantly while it's on duty... The handler being an officer specially trained in... Attending to sniffer dogs, getting any materials found off of them, etc.

[norsenerd]

Yes but 100% is alot.

[Gizensha]

But required in various professions and specialisations. "Now before I put you under for your heat transplant, I'll freely admit that I get a nervous twitch in my writing arm during these operations 5% of the time. Good night."<br><br>OK, somewhat exagerated example, but.. What's the acceptable level of risk?<br><br>And I'm not meaning to come accross as insensitive to people here (I mean, I openly accept that sniffer dogs are, regrettably, needed at the current level/expense of robotics (the comment about robotics was partially out of not being sure at what level 'sense of detecting chemicles in the atmosphere (which is, essentially, what an animal's sense of smell is) and partially a knee-jerk reaction)), I'm just slightly annoyed by the whole thing.<br><br>Also, I am aware from experience at demonstration events and tv reports of how close the specialists who work with police dogs and the dogs are, so... Oh I don't know what I'm trying to say here... Sorry. <br><br>I'm going to post this partially incoherrant babble that seemed to lose it's point half way through in case any one can help me figure out what I was trying to say in the first place, and in case it helps people know what I mean....

[Ozymandias]

100% is quite easy - its called a lead (or a leash, if u really want)

[Softpaw]

Leashes are fun!<br><br>[shifty eyes] Why's everyone looking at me like that...?

[VisibilityMissing]

Must . . . get . . . picture . . . out . . . of . . . head!!!!!<br><br>AAAAAUUUUGHHHHHH!!!<br><br>

[Gizensha]

<!--QuoteBegin-FelixLockhart+Aug 6 2004, 03:41 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (FelixLockhart @ Aug 6 2004, 03:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Leashes are fun!<br><br>[shifty eyes] Why's everyone looking at me like that...? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Like what?<br><br>Seriously, this thread suddenly reminds me. Need to get a collar at some point.

[Burning Sheep Productions]

Robots can "smell" things, they pick up the chemical makeup of the air around them and search for traces of drugs and bombs and stuff.<br>Saw one on an NCIS episode.