lol Chuck Norris (nothing to do with how to draw O&M)

[Hanging Tree]

Chuck Norris has won State, National, and International amateur karate titles, held the World Professional MiddleWeight Karate championship for six years before retiring undefeated,was inducted into the Black Belt Hall of Fame as fighter of the Year in 1968 ans as instructor of the year in 1975, and became the first 8th degree Black Belt Grand Master in the Tae Kwon Do in the Western Hemisphere.

Show me a list of acoplishments for Bruce Lee as impressive as this and then we can talk. To my knowledge Bruce Lee never even won a profesional tournament.

[Tarukai]

I was being a tad blunt in my description. I understand that Chuck Norris is a very well accomplished martial artist, but he's mostly known for, if anything, Walker Texas Ranger (which is technically a show).

But remember, Lee was the innovator of Jeet Kune Do.

[Hanging Tree]

But he does have an actual martial arts background which is impressive. Bruce Lee only has the Hollywood side of his life, so Chuck Norris is way awesomer.

[Tarukai]

Taken verbatim from wikipedia:

Bruce Lee's first introduction to martial arts was through his father, Lee Hoi Cheun. He learned the fundamentals of Wu style Tai Chi Chuan from his father.[20] Lee's sifu, Wing Chun master Yip Man, was also a colleague and friend of Hong Kong's Wu style Tai Chi Chuan teacher Wu Ta-ch'i.

Lee trained in Wing Chun Gung Fu from age 13-18 under Hong Kong Wing Chun Sifu Yip Man. Lee was introduced to Yip Man in early 1954 by William Cheung, then a live-in student of Yip Man. Like most Chinese martial arts schools at that time, Sifu Yip Man's classes were often taught by the highest ranking students. One of the highest ranking students under Yip Man at the time was Wong Shun-Leung. Wong is thought to have had the largest influence on Bruce's training. Yip Man trained Lee privately after some students refused to train with Lee due to his ancestry.[21]

Bruce was also trained in Western boxing and won the 1958 Boxing Championship match against 3-time champion Gary Elms by knockout in the 3rd round. Before arriving to the finals against Elms, Lee had knocked out 3 straight boxers in the first round.[22] In addition, Bruce learned western fencing techniques from his brother Peter Lee, who was a champion fencer at the time.[23] This multi-faceted exposure to different fighting arts would later play an influence in the creation of the eclectic martial art Jeet Kune Do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee

under Martial Arts Training and Development.

there's more than the first three paragraphs I gave.

EDIT: but we're getting too specific here. it's a silly argument over a petty indecision.

[Hanging Tree]

However if you look at his actual list of Official Fights on the page he only has 15 fights, five of which are boxing matches, so not martial arts, and two are street fights, which should make then not official. He was trained and developed his own style, but there is little evidence he was a good fighter or if his style was effective.

[Zaaphod]

CHUCK NORRIS and BRUCE LEE: SERIOUS BUSINESS!

[Tarukai]

So I guess those 15 fights he did ddn't prove it enough, huh?

so he wasn't in as many official fights as Norris. how does that prove he's not as good a fighter? The fact that he's won even that many (if he won them all, I didn't skim that part), especially some with his own style of martial arts, is enough to show that his style was effective.

also, even if it's only boxing and not martial arts, how does it successful boxing background NOT show that he's a good fighter?

@ Zaaphod: srs bizniss.

[Hanging Tree]

Five of those fights are in a boxing tournament so while they do show fighting skill they don't really show martial arts skill. I guess we can take it into consideration but at the same time he isn't known as a boxer. There are also two fights thatare street fights so we don't know what exactly was going on and who he was fighting, and one of the fights has conflicted acounts on who the winner was.

So that leaves seven fights that he won in his martial arts career. That isn't very impressive. My dad is a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and might have more victories then that, and he didn't fight very often.

So in essence there is no real reason to say Bruce Lee is better at fighting then Chuck Norris. Even if we give him the boxing matches and the street fights Chuck Norris has a record that outshines Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee was an actor, not a martial artist.

[KJ Fellie]

Should this thread be renamed?
Besides, Naruto (the more grown up one from the Shippuuden series) would kick both their butts, if he were actually real.

Hey, look, an obvious distraction!

*runs and hides*

[Bocaj Claw]

Should this thread be renamed?
Besides, Naruto (the more grown up one from the Shippuuden series) would kick both their butts, if he were actually real.

Hey, look, an obvious distraction!

*runs and hides*

Piffle. Haku from Spirited Away would wipe the floors with all of them AND he's vaguely symbolic of the dangers of pollution. Or something.

[KJ Fellie]

Yeah, he kicks butt. I'd want Jackie Chan on my side, though, only because he's funny while he kicks butt. He's good at being funny while he gets his butt kicked, too. Versatility is important. Of course, if I teamed up with a dragon, we could stupefy them with nonsensical babble and get away unharmed while their brains leaked out their ears.

[Extreme-Speed]

Why does a statement saying that there's no reason to bash Chuck Norris like that somehow say that Chuck Norris is better then Bruce Lee? (Even when the previous conversation and the post itself doesn't mention Bruce Lee?)

[Spray]

five of which are boxing matches, so not martial arts,

You're kidding, right?

[Hanging Tree]

No. Boxing is boxing, not martial arts. Martial arts matches have different rules and are often light contact. While talking about a martial arts career boxing can be conisidered, but ultimatly it is boxing and not martial arts. It is similear but not the same.

[Muninn]

Ha ha Chuck Norris, what a loser.

I don't need to show the achievements or failures of others to prove this. His mere existence makes it so.