Chris Benoit Tragedy

[Zaaphod]

Acting was his second career, after he seriously hurt his knee and couldn't play worth a damn anymore.

[Ibun]

My point is, despite the fact that for all intents and purposes that OJ is a murderer, that doesn't negate the fact that he is a hall of fame running back.

[Tabris_The_17th]

His professional legacy has nothing to do with his personal life though.

But how in the world can you look back on anything he's done with fondness or respect when you know what deplorable act he committed? He was always talked of as someone to look up to and learn from. He's certainly not that anymore. Yes, he was one of the greatest wrestlers skill-wise to ever get in the ring.....but I don't think I will ever be able to forget this to preach that.

Warren Spahn was an unabashed racist. Babe Ruth was an alcoholic. OJ Simpson is a murderer (most likely). Yet they are still respected for what they did in their professional careers.

I'm not saying that he was right for doing what he did; but I'm not just going to say, oh he wasn't a good wrestler. Though I won't look up to him as someone I might want to emulate anymore.

You slightly misunderstand my point, or I didn't explain it properly enough (which is more likely the case. I wasn't in the most alert states when I typed most of that). Obviously we can't now say "he wasn't a good wrestler." He of course was. One of the best. I more meant that because of all this, that wont be what he's remembered for. He wont be Benoit the wrestling hero, but Benoit the murderer. My point's more in line with what you said about not looking up to him anymore, just a bit deeper.

I just don't think I'd ever be able to go back and watch an old match of his now. I'd be too awkward and sad knowing what he did. I really believe there is that certain line you cross between personal and professional where one ruins the other. For example, I love Guns N' Roses. Now, I have no love for Axl Rose as a person. He's made himself out to be one huge jerk. However, I can disassociate that from the voice I hear when listening to one of their songs. But when something's as horrible as what Benoit did, I could never disassociate.

[Ibun]

I understand your position, and although I personally don't feel the same way, I won't hold it against you if you do.

I haven't actualyl watched any of his old matches since the incident, so I am not sure how it will make me feel, I suppose we will tell in time.

[Arloest]

I have no love for Axl Rose as a person. He's made himself out to be one huge jerk.

Quoted for Extra Truth.

[Tabris_The_17th]

I understand your position, and although I personally don't feel the same way, I won't hold it against you if you do.

Right back at ya

I have no love for Axl Rose as a person. He's made himself out to be one huge jerk.

Quoted for Extra Truth.

Originally I used a different word besides "jerk," but, you know, trying not to get too explicit here

[Tom Flapwell]

I've only seen him in Loaded Gun and Capricorn One.

I looked up OJ's IMDb profile, and there's no mention of Loaded Gun. Could that have been the British title for The Naked Gun, starring Leslie Nielsen as Frank Drebbin?

[Doc Sigma]

I've only seen him in Loaded Gun and Capricorn One.

I looked up OJ's IMDb profile, and there's no mention of Loaded Gun. Could that have been the British title for The Naked Gun, starring Leslie Nielsen as Frank Drebbin?

IMDB would have mentioned that, right? It usually mentions foreign/alternate titles.

[Zaaphod]

This is what's known as an "unsurprising development"...

Steroids Found in Pro Wrestler's Body

Jul 17, 6:27 PM (ET)

By GREG BLUESTEIN

DECATUR, Ga. (AP) - Pro wrestler Chris Benoit had a steroid and other drugs in his system when he killed his wife and young son last month and hanged himself in the family's home, investigators said Tuesday.

Benoit's body contained 10 times the normal level of testosterone, as well as amounts of the anti-anxiety drug Xanax and the painkiller hydrocodone, authorities said.

The testosterone, a synthetic version of the primary male sex hormone, is considered an anabolic steroid. The state's top medical examiner said it appeared to have been injected shortly before Benoit died.

Dr. Kris Sperry said there was no evidence of any other steroids in the wrestler's body, and nothing to show that steroids played a role in the death of Nancy and Daniel Benoit. He also said the boy appeared to have been sedated when he was asphyxiated, and Benoit's wife had a "therapeutic" level of sedatives in her body.

Sperry said there is no consensus that the use of testosterone can contribute to paranoia, depression and violent outbursts known as "roid rage."

"This a question that basically no one knows the answer to," Sperry said. "There is conflicting scientific data as to whether or not testosterone creates mental disorders or leads to outbursts of rage," he said. "There's data that suggests it and other data that refute it."

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation said Chris Benoit tested negative for alcohol. Investigators had been eager to determine whether alcohol was a factor in the killings after 10 empty beer cans were found in the home, as well as an empty wine bottle a few feet from where Benoit hanged himself.

Benoit killed his wife and 7-year-old son, placed Bibles next to their bodies and then hanged himself on the cable of a weight machine. After the slayings, prescription anabolic steroids were found in the family's home, raising questions about whether the drugs played a role in the killings.

Benoit's wife, Nancy, tested positive for Xanax, hydrocodone and the painkiller hydromorphone. Daniel Benoit had Xanax in his system, authorities said. The GBI said it could not perform tests for steroids or human growth hormones on the boy because of a lack of urine.

Nancy Benoit's body had a blood-alcohol level of 0.184 percent, more than twice the level at which Georgia law considers a driver intoxicated. But, Sperry said, that level may have been affected by decomposition.

Federal authorities have charged Chris Benoit's personal physician, Dr. Phil Astin, with improperly prescribing painkillers and other drugs to two patients other than Benoit. He has pleaded not guilty.

Investigators have also raided Astin's office several times since the deaths, seizing prescription records and other documents.

Before he was charged, Astin told the AP he prescribed testosterone for Benoit, a longtime friend, in the past. He would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed when Benoit visited his office June 22, the day authorities believe Benoit killed his wife.

World Wrestling Entertainment last screened Benoit for steroids in April. It said the results released Tuesday were proof Benoit did not test positive for illegal substances.

"All it means is that scientifically, it's now known that sometime between April 10 and when he died, he had treatment with testosterone," said Jerry McDevitt, a WWE attorney. "That's all it establishes."

[Tabris_The_17th]

I can't repeat my words when I first saw this article elsewhere. They're not appropriate for this forum.

I was just ticked because I've been going around complaining about how so many members of the media (Fox News and Nancy Grace especially) were using this tragedy to fuel their own agendas against steroids in wrestling when their wasn't any proof of Benoit having had any in his system at the time. The whole thing made me sick. Now this has come out and you KNOW the media's going to use it to their advantage more then ever. Sure, there's still no concrete proof that the testosterone had a hand in the terrible events of a few weeks ago. But that wont matter. All we're gonna hear now is "I told you so."

The WWE has problems that certainly need to be addressed. I just don't think this is the way to go about it.[/i]

[Rooster]

I've only seen him in Loaded Gun and Capricorn One.

I looked up OJ's IMDb profile, and there's no mention of Loaded Gun. Could that have been the British title for The Naked Gun, starring Leslie Nielsen as Frank Drebbin?

IMDB would have mentioned that, right? It usually mentions foreign/alternate titles.

It's probably more likely to be me pantsless up the titles of things again, d'you know what I mean?