Who says webcomics don't make a profit?

[Luke B.]

Funnily enough, I read Jay Naylor's stuff, and am struck by how Liberal it is in its viewpoints.

[Tom Flapwell]

LiberTINE, maybe....

[Dragon-Dancer]

Jay Naylor's artwork is pretty damned good....I just get annoyed by the conservative undertones in most of his stuff.

I don't really get any conservative undertones at his work, well maybe his views on the military to some extent but not really. Actually his story lines show a fairly liberal attitude if anything.

Naylor has the marketing advantage of dirtiness.

That he does.

According to what he writes in his LJ he classes himself as an Objectivist but none of it matters to me really, he can call himself whatever he wants as long as his comic continues to be as good as it is.

[The Donmeister]

Naylor has the marketing advantage of dirtiness.

Yeah. I've never been there before, but to me it looks like he just draws furry porn.

I don't like the way Hopkins does that sort of stuff. All power to him, it's his site and creation...I just don't like being begged for money from people. I mean, I have no money, and I draw an online comic...

How is it that so many other cartoonists are like "gimme some money and I'll draw"...I just want people to read it, sod the money. Money sucks, and corrupts.

He who chases the money bill, it illudes him...he who eludes the money bill, it chases him.

Hopkins doesn't actually host the site - it's hosted by his mate Tet (whose real name I cannot recall). Although it would be nice if he laid off the "we need money" act every once in a while.

[Luke B.]

Naylor has the marketing advantage of dirtiness.

Yeah. I've never been there before, but to me it looks like he just draws furry porn.

Far as I can tell, that's just so he can support the stuff he does for fun - seriously, his "Better Days" webcomic is one of the most literate and well drawn I've found, and I've got roughly 50 or so in my main webcomics tab, a crapload of others I check only once or twice a week.

And yeah, that whole begging for money thing? Gets old fast. Better way to do it is just quietly offer or annouce products (shirts, commissioned art, donation desktops) etc., that people might actually *want* to give you money for. That'd seem fair to me, instead of some kinda bs guilt trip push for cash.

[osprey]

I just plain don't like Jay Naylor.

[Luke B.]

Heh, that's fair too, but his comic is still awesome. :3

[Glenn565]

Heh, that's fair too, but his comic is still awesome. :3

Not really. If this is the same comic I'm thinking of, then the incest really jarring. Not to mention the political agenda.

EDIT: Oh man, how could I forget the worst part of the comic? Drama drama drama drama drama. That just kills it.

[Rooster]

I'll just never fogive him for what he said about the Vietnam War....




I don't care what your opinions on whatever...that war was unjust.

Even more than Iraq...I mean, at least in Iraq we're getting oil out of it so it's not that big a waste of time.

Thousands dead, but at least gas will be cheaper now...

[CodeCat]

*makes mental note never to read that bunch of crap*

[Bocaj Claw]

On the subject of money begging, this comic has a good scheme worked out. The author draws a side comic called Tempts Fate about a character named... Tempts Fate. He sets up a series of four challenges with a monetary value associated to them. If people donate enough money Tempts doesn't die a horrible death. Guilt tripping maybe, but effective. His last bonus story netted more than double the minimum to keep Tempts alive. And readers get a free wallpaper along with the bonus story at the end. Very tricksy.

[Angstwolf]

Clever, but annoying. D:

[Tabris_The_17th]

Not to take too much time on the Jay Naylor thing since it's a bit , but...

I'll just never fogive him for what he said about the Vietnam War....

I don't care what your opinions on whatever...that war was unjust.

Even more than Iraq...I mean, at least in Iraq we're getting oil out of it so it's not that big a waste of time.

Thousands dead, but at least gas will be cheaper now...

I'm actually a big fan of Jay Naylor's, and I'll be the very first to to totally agree with you Rooster. However, I'm open to hearing other people's viewpoints in regards to various topics, even if I don't agree with them. There's something interesting about seeing how people put together a mindset. By putting said viewpoints as the undertones of a comic, it just feels a bit more fun to me - especially when trying to figure out how much is strictly the character and how much is the actual author (as long as these themes don't overtake the story and change it into something altogether different).

Besides that, "Better Days" offers an insight into what life occurances that result in a young boy growing up to be the soldier that Fisk becomes. So political undertones are almost necessary. We don't agree with them, but these are the feelings that were fed to a child during his most impressionable years. What does that do to him? I find that entertaining, regardless of the author's views.

But like I said, I'm quite the fan of Naylor's, so maybe I just try to ignore certain things. He's probably been the biggest influence in how I draw "furry" characters.

And at the end of the day, I guess all I'm saying is I don't defend his view of the various wars of our history (past or present), but I defend his right to artistic expression, which is the oldest debate in the art world book.

[Muninn]

Hopkins doesn't actually host the site - it's hosted by his mate Tet (whose real name I cannot recall).

It's Ryan something. I only know because there's an early Jack arc where he's forced to say his real name.

Thousands dead, but at least gas will be cheaper now...

Funny, it was back at $68 a barrel a day or two ago.

[Steve the Pocket]

Funny, I'd almost rather the war be doing no good at all than helping keep gas prices low (even though it is very, very much not doing that IMO). 'Cause I'd hate to realize every time I go to get gas, "Geez... thousands of people dead just for this. I'd rather be forced to walk everywhere for the rest of my life."

As to Naylor, as much as I hate to admit it Tabris does have a point. In fact, when I first discovered "Ozy and Millie," I was a die-hard conservative and Bush supporter myself. (And potentially a rather obnoxious one, if anyone had ever bothered to talk politics with me.) But I was open to listening to others' views. I treated "Ozy and Millie" the way Tabris treats "Better Days," and the result was that I ended up agreeing with a lot of what D.C. had to say. If it weren't for me having that attitude at the time, I might have never changed.

Plus, D.C. himself taught that it's wrong to act like everyone who doesn't agree with you politically is a bad person, even if you are right.

(P.S. "Jack" is hosted by Ryan DeWalt, husband of "Vinci and Arty" creator Candy DeWalt.)