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Postby Foxchild » Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:45 pm

I'm gonna be out and out honest, here. I much preferred the earlier strips. Thats what got me hooked on the comic as a whole. I find myself still checking the comic daily, but never finding the same appeal as, say, with the comic about blue string. The simplified, straightforward views of the child appeal to me much more than political undertones and commentary.
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Postby _SeHT » Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:58 pm

I'm gonna be out and out honest, here. I much preferred the earlier strips. Thats what got me hooked on the comic as a whole. I find myself still checking the comic daily, but never finding the same appeal as, say, with the comic about blue string. The simplified, straightforward views of the child appeal to me much more than political undertones and commentary.
I think this is a danger that many strips fall into. The characters for the most part do not age, despite for a while going up a class every year or so. But, unfortunately, the artist does age, and the world takes its toll on him or her, and as a consequence the strip begins to reflect those changes.

Consider what happened to Peanuts over its long run. By the end, when it was drawn by an elderly and frail man, it contained a lot of reminiscences of past times and melancholy strips, whereas its early days were lighter in tone, even the ones where Charlie Brown is musing on his sadness.

To try to keep characters as children while the artist grows up seems to me to be a tricky, if not dangerous, thing to do. Ozy and Millie have always been that little bit cynical and knowing regarding the world and its ways, but... if the strip is going to continue to mature, perhaps its characters should grow up as well.

Either that or they could go and live under the couch cushions for a while. :)

For my own part... I can understand to the desire to be a child forever (some would say that explains a great deal about my personality), but I find it a little... Not disturbing. It just doesn't feel right, and probably for the reasons above. I don't know.

I shall sit back and wait for what Mr Simpson does. He knows the characters best, after all. :)
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Postby Foxchild » Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:08 pm

For my own part... I can understand to the desire to be a child forever (some would say that explains a great deal about my personality), but I find it a little... Not disturbing. It just doesn't feel right, and probably for the reasons above. I don't know.
Thats actually, the first part, why my username became FoxChild. I've found an outlet that manages to let me hold onto that side, as well.
I shall sit back and wait for what Mr Simpson does. He knows the characters best, after all. :)
I'll add a correction, if I may: He's the only one who truly knows them.
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Postby Jerry Roosevelt » Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:20 pm

Evolution is a mystery
Full of change that no one sees
Clock makes a fool of history...


Oops, wrong Evolution... :-P
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Postby _SeHT » Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:30 pm

I shall sit back and wait for what Mr Simpson does. He knows the characters best, after all. :)
I'll add a correction, if I may: He's the only one who truly knows them.
Quite correctly corrected. That is what I meant, but did not say. Thank you.
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Postby Tabris_The_17th » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:14 pm

Evolution is a mystery
Full of change that no one sees
Clock makes a fool of history...


Oops, wrong Evolution... :-P
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Postby Tom Flapwell » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:04 pm

I think this is a danger that many strips fall into. The characters for the most part do not age, despite for a while going up a class every year or so. But, unfortunately, the artist does age, and the world takes its toll on him or her, and as a consequence the strip begins to reflect those changes.

Consider what happened to Peanuts over its long run. By the end, when it was drawn by an elderly and frail man, it contained a lot of reminiscences of past times and melancholy strips, whereas its early days were lighter in tone, even the ones where Charlie Brown is musing on his sadness.
This isn't such a problem for cartoons done by whole studios. But they're almost never much fun anyway.
Either that or they could go and live under the couch cushions for a while. :)
If simply living in the other realm is all it takes to age the other way, then Locke and Ms. Mudd didn't have to part ways.
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Does he? He's made many noncommittal statements about them, like that he thinks Ms. Mudd's first name starts with M. And he really doesn't seem to know much for certain about Llewellyn.

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Postby Muninn » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:36 pm

Consider what happened to Peanuts over its long run. By the end, when it was drawn by an elderly and frail man, it contained a lot of reminiscences of past times and melancholy strips, whereas its early days were lighter in tone, even the ones where Charlie Brown is musing on his sadness.
There was a time when Peanuts WASN'T melancholy? Maybe it got more so towards the end, but it still had it in the early days. I think the early days were even more vicious and depressing than later (after the 70's) Peanuts.

[quote="Foxchild"but never finding the same appeal as, say, with the comic about blue string[/quote]
I never got the "blue string" strip. It's quaint and cute. Many people seem to like it. That's fine. But if it was me who drew that it would be because I had run out of ideas at the time.

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Postby Tom Flapwell » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:46 pm

There was a time when Peanuts WASN'T melancholy? Maybe it got more so towards the end, but it still had it in the early days. I think the early days were even more vicious and depressing than later (after the 70's) Peanuts.
I think you're right. I have the first volume of The Complete Peanuts, and it has the kids being pretty mean to each other. The main innovation, really, was that they didn't fit the 1950 quixotic view of kids, and it made us care as few cartoons had done before.
I never got the "blue string" strip. It's quaint and cute. Many people seem to like it. That's fine. But if it was me who drew that it would be because I had run out of ideas at the time.
The same could be said about "That which does not kill me, makes me stranger." It's very simply done and kinda obvious when you think about it, yet it strikes a chord with many.

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Postby Muninn » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:05 pm

There was a time when Peanuts WASN'T melancholy? Maybe it got more so towards the end, but it still had it in the early days. I think the early days were even more vicious and depressing than later (after the 70's) Peanuts.
I think you're right. I have the first volume of The Complete Peanuts, and it has the kids being pretty mean to each other. The main innovation, really, was that they didn't fit the 1950 quixotic view of kids, and it made us care as few cartoons had done before.
I have that book too. What I meant by depressing though was how utterly nihilistic Charlie Brown seemed to be. In an early 60's (I'm fairly sure) strip we see Sally making a painting of a smiling girl among flowers. She walks over to Charlie Brown who has completely covered his canvas in black. He simply says, "I've been feeling kind of depressed all week".

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Postby caffeinefox » Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:29 am

I for one noticed a small change, mainly because I tried to read the whole archive in one day. Note to anyone who tries to do this: it takes two :oops:

But true, there is a change in how Ozzie acts. You could attribute this to he himself aging (isn't he 8 when the comic starts?). True it not a lot, but it's some.
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Postby Chris » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:13 am

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Does he? He's made many noncommittal statements about them, like that he thinks Ms. Mudd's first name starts with M. And he really doesn't seem to know much for certain about Llewellyn.
Ms.Mudd's first name is Millie's middle name :-P

Ms.Mehitabel Mudd = see? it fits....MMM

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Postby dcsimpson » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:06 am

I actually do know her first name. I'll let it slip in an upcoming storyline. :)

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Postby Kyler Thatch » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:12 am

Ooh, intriguing. I'll be waiting for that one.

Their names remind me of a particular classmate in high school. Her first name, middle name, and last name all started with "E".
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Postby Fritz » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:26 pm

But true, there is a change in how Ozzie acts.
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