Yeah, about religion...

Talitha · Postby **Talitha** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:17 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Holyman83 Posted on Sep 22 2004 @ 10:04 PM in "Ghosts...")</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> No I dont believe in ghosts. Im a born again Christian. <br><br>Tilitha I can assure you that the term Hell IS NOT an algorical for "reincarnation" in the bible<br><br>As for I believe almost all living forms who can feel basic emotions have a soul. The Buble does not say but we can always hope.<br><br>Unfortunately, once you died her that is it you either go to Heaven or Hell. And the ONLY what to get to Heaven is to believe that Jesus Christ dies on the Cross for our salvation and that in no way can we get to Heaven on our own power.<br><br>Ozymandias you say you are a logical but you dont believe in God. The sad fact is there is no other logical explanation to the creation of the universe than that a god created it.<br><br>Ok Ill get off my soap box now. Oh by the way any of yall want some this soap?</td></tr></table> <br><br> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Holyman83 Posted on Sep 22 2004 @ 11:43 PM in "Ghosts...")</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> This life is fun in exciting compared to Hell. In fact Matthew 5:29 says your whole body be thrown into hell. You cant be thrown into reincarnation. Mathew 10:28 says Do not be afrid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both the body and the soul in hell. Matthew 18:9 says be thrown in the fires of hell. None of these even imply that hell is reincarnation in fact the show it as a place that you are sent to. Hell is a place of endless torture and pain without any pleasure at all, life is anything but that. All of us have at lest some joy in our lives</td></tr></table> <br><br>Let me state my beliefs and statis right here and now:<br><br>My mother is Christian, and let me assure you that I believe in God and Jesus Christ. I do. But remember, the bible is <i>how old?</i> It's been passed down for generations! Something could've gotten messed up!<br><br>I believe a lot of things Jesus said were also algorical. Whenever someone didn't get the message, he had to explain it for them. It's easy to mistake one thing for another. Compared to Jesus, in my mind, Jesus's disciples where bumbling idiots. There is NO WAY we could possibly comprehend God and all his works and mysteries.<br><br>And what if what happened in the Bible never took place? What if Aethism or Hindu religions are actually right? Do we really have any proof that any of this, or any other religion for that matter, is true? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on your hold and value on "proof". <br><br>People can believe whatever they want to believe. That's their personal choice, and that's always been my philosophy. I've also always been a firm believer in self-determination. There is NO pre-destiny, in my eyes. I even believe that if there is a God, even if your an Aethist, if you're a good person, you'll still go to Heaven.<br><br>I just wanted to state my views and explain why I view it like that.<br><br><br> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Tilitha I can assure you that the term Hell IS NOT an algorical for "reincarnation" in the bible</td></tr></table> <br><br>You see, that comment right there sort of annoyed me. You can tell me what you believe, but you can't tell me that it can only be that way. <br><br>No offence to anyone.<br><br>And now that there's a topic on it, everyone, what are your views of religion?

Ibun · Postby **Ibun** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:26 pm

All religions are stupid. All people that belong to a religion are stupid. There is no god. You die and your corpse rots in the ground.

Sakie · Postby **Sakie** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:51 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (sirjeffrey @ Sep 23 2004, 10:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> All religions are stupid. All people that belong to a religion are stupid. There is no god. You die and your corpse rots in the ground. </td></tr></table> <br>Now now sirjeffrey lets not go on and Flame other people beliefs. I belong to a religion and I make B's and A's and maby a few C's your calling me stupid and that makes me sad <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />

Dr. Dos · Postby **Dr. Dos** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:54 pm

Well that's certianlly a positive outlook...<br><br>I'm agnostic I guess. Although I'd say I find it more likely that there isn't a god.<br><br>I was never raised religious at all really, but I would say that there's more to religion than "ok you die, and if you were good welcome to Heaven it's a rocking place, if you weren't I hope you like warm weather." or whatever the particular beliefs are. It also has to do with the creation of the universe and was an easy framework for morals. I'm not saying without religion we'd have no morals, I'm just saying you're more likely to not act on impulse when you think it may affect you some way when you die.<br><br>I have no problems with people of any religion provided the don't attempt to convert me, or act as if they know their religion is 100% correct and everybody else has it wrong.

Ibun · Postby **Ibun** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:57 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (darkdragon @ Sep 23 2004, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (sirjeffrey @ Sep 23 2004, 10:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> All religions are stupid. All people that belong to a religion are stupid. There is no god. You die and your corpse rots in the ground. </td></tr></table> <br>Now now sirjeffrey lets not go on and Flame other people beliefs. I belong to a religion and I make B's and A's and maby a few C's your calling me stupid and that makes me sad <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />  </td></tr></table> <br> Forgive me for not being sympathetic; but I refuse to believe that a god could be sadistic enough to make my life the living hell that it is.

Dr. Dos · Postby **Dr. Dos** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:02 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (sirjeffrey @ Sep 24 2004, 08:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Forgive me for not being sympathetic; but I refuse to believe that a god could be sadistic enough to make my life the living hell that it is.  </td></tr></table> <br> That's why I lean towards no god.

Miles E Traysandor · Postby **Miles E Traysandor** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:13 pm

Now I've never really been much of a worshipper of any religion (though I'm <i>very</i> loosely Christian), but I do believe that there is a "God" of some sorts. Pretty much everything else after that, in my opinion, is debateable depending on which religion you choose to believe.<br><br>Edit: Perhaps I <i>should</i> convert to Averyism. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' />

Talitha · Postby **Talitha** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:19 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (sirjeffrey @ Sep 23 2004, 10:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (darkdragon @ Sep 23 2004, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (sirjeffrey @ Sep 23 2004, 10:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> All religions are stupid. All people that belong to a religion are stupid. There is no god. You die and your corpse rots in the ground. </td></tr></table> <br>Now now sirjeffrey lets not go on and Flame other people beliefs. I belong to a religion and I make B's and A's and maby a few C's your calling me stupid and that makes me sad <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /> </td></tr></table> <br>Forgive me for not being sympathetic; but I refuse to believe that a god could be sadistic enough to make my life the living hell that it is.</td></tr></table> <br>Actually, that reminds me of one of the reasons why I believe in reincarnation.<br><br>While I believe in self-determination in which only you can make your own choices and choose your own destiny, sometimes the environment around you is against you. <br><br>I've always had this funny feeling that your soul, which I believe has a funny mind of it's own, acting as a sort of "spectator" more then anything else, "chooses" your next life. I believe the soul choose different elements for you to be exposed to, maybe. Ex. You may have similar personailties and talents similar to that of a past life, but part of life is growing and learning. The soul may have put you in a different country, or given you a different background, so you can grow up and learn from that particular experience. You could have a great life in the past life, and a miserable life in a future life because of situation in which you were thrown into and have no control over.<br><br>I'm not saying the soul is sadistic though. I'm sorry you've had a miserable life, but remember this is "life". there are lots of things we can't control. Sometimes it's the actions of a selfish person, sometimes its the forces of nature, sometimes it's something so seemingly innocent that sets a chain of drastic events that cannot be stopped. This is what people believe is "luck". (or for lack of a better term, "bad luck".) Whatever your situation is, all I can say to console you is to make the best of it. At this moment in my life, that is all I can tell myself.<br><br>I hope that helps. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... unsure.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='unsure.gif' />

Miles E Traysandor · Postby **Miles E Traysandor** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:22 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Talitha @ Sep 23 2004, 07:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (sirjeffrey @ Sep 23 2004, 10:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (darkdragon @ Sep 23 2004, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (sirjeffrey @ Sep 23 2004, 10:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> All religions are stupid. All people that belong to a religion are stupid. There is no god. You die and your corpse rots in the ground. </td></tr></table> <br>Now now sirjeffrey lets not go on and Flame other people beliefs. I belong to a religion and I make B's and A's and maby a few C's your calling me stupid and that makes me sad <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /> </td></tr></table> <br>Forgive me for not being sympathetic; but I refuse to believe that a god could be sadistic enough to make my life the living hell that it is.</td></tr></table> <br>Actually, that reminds me of one of the reasons why I believe in reincarnation.<br><br>While I believe in self-determination in which only you can make your own choices and choose your own destiny, sometimes the environment around you is against you. <br><br>I've always had this funny feeling that your soul, which I believe has a funny mind of it's own, acting as a sort of "spectator" more then anything else, "chooses" your next life. I believe the soul choose different elements for you to be exposed to, maybe. </td></tr></table> <br>That must explain my horrible luck attracting anyone of the opposite gender. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /ph34r.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ph34r.gif' />

Talitha · Postby **Talitha** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:27 pm

Personailty attracts me more then anything else. I had a crush on a guy once, and he was not what I would call the best looker in the school. He was actually more plain looking. But then, anyone seems attractive to me once I've decided that I really like them, maybe even some things that people find disgusting.<br><br>So if girls/guys don't like you for who you are, that's their problem. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... s/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

Ibun · Postby **Ibun** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:29 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Talitha @ Sep 23 2004, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> So if girls/guys don't like you for who you are, that's their problem. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... s/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /> </td></tr></table> <br>So I guess the entire world has a problem then. Since nobody I've met likes me. (Outside of family members.)

Talitha · Postby **Talitha** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:47 pm

A lot of people have problems. Whether it's their fault or not depends, but you have lots of oppurtunities at your hands.<br><br>For one, good looks do help in attracting someone. Then you get to know them. Admittedly, that's how most couples fall in love and live happily ever after.<br><br>And this is the flat out truth what I'm about to say. I think my Mom fell in love with my Dad for the wrong reasons. She fell in love with him because he had good genes, had a nice body and worked out a lot. However, it seemed she always disagreed with everything he said. It was subtle at first, but my parents were always arguing. That's what eventually drove my Dad away. my parents are currently separated, and my father will most likely seek a divorce.<br><br>My Dad fell in love with my Mom because way back when she was also a good looker, she had lots of interests, and she was his (what he considered) intellectual equal. The reason he wanted out of the relationship was because everything he said, my mom always had to challenge him and contradict him. I'm not saying he fell in love with Mom for the wrong reasons, but I definetly think he could've done some things better.<br><br>Love is just a big ignigma. I actually hardly know anything about it. I've never actually been in a relationship. I seem to have a hard time attracting guys as well. But at this point in my life, it's not the biggest thing I'm worried about. Getting married is just considered the natural order of things, apparently, but I don't really care about that. I'd like to have boyfriend, but if I shall go through life single, then so be it. <br><br>Besides, not all people get married when they're young. Some get married in their thirties and forties. Some couples never have kids. It just depends sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't<br><br>After all, look at Ms. Mudd. She never actually got married. She had what would be considered, <i>professionally</i>, a bastard child. And now she's dating Llewelyn, and I certainly think there is a possibility they can and will get married. Ms. Mudd isn't 20-years-old folks, and Llewelyn I would consider to be as old as dirt.(technically speaking, of course) <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... s/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /> <br><br>My personal advice on viewinge "love" and "relationships": Never take them for face-value, and consider all your options and demands. <br><br>And anyway, there's always room for improvement. If you can't improve your looks, try improving your charm. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... s/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><br><br>By the way, has anyone noticed that this has gone waaaaaayy off topic? <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... lleyes.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rolleyes.gif' />

Ibun · Postby **Ibun** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:06 am

(Yep and to add to that...)<br><br>A big thank you to Jerry Roosevelt and Anarkis for cheering me up! You guys are the best really.

Miles E Traysandor · Postby **Miles E Traysandor** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:26 am

Wish I coulda been at the chat to cheer you up, sirjefferey, but I had to pick up my dad at work. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><br><br>Personally, I think you're a pretty cool guy, sirjefferey, even if you are a bit odd at times. (then again, around here, who ISN'T odd at times? <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... s/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />).<br><br>As for Talitha's post, I don't look like Brad Pitt, nor do I look like the homeless person sleeping out on the streets. I'm fairly decent looking IRL, however my teeth aren't the greatest and I'm definately NOT the cleanest guy on the block, especially when it comes to my room.<br><br>My main problems lie on money parylisis and a tad bit of insecurity on my part, there isn't a whole heck of a lot to do in this city for nightlife (at least not to my knowledge). I know of or have heard about some places, but I either don't have the money, get too tired tooo quick, or simply stereotype the atmosphere, but that's just the kind of person I am -- a tad shy and paranoid. And someone who wouldn't touch drugs, tobacco, or alcohol with a ten meter stick.

Dr. Dos · Postby **Dr. Dos** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:41 am

A topic on ghosts leads to a topic on religion.<br><br>A topic on religion leads to talking about relationships.<br><br>If all goes well we'll go full circle at some point.<br><br>"Yeah I have a pet dog." "I SAW A GHOST DOG ONCE!"

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