What music are you listening to?

Ruedii-X · Postby **Ruedii-X** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:36 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (sirjeffrey @ Dec 14 2004, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> If you ask me, it's Ironic who sung that song. At least Greenday and Blink 182 didn't make remakes of it! *LOL*</td></tr></table>  I certainly hope that wasn't a shot at Reel Big Fish. Also it's spelled Green Day, there is a space in there. And Blink 182 are sellouts. As are Good Charlotte, a band I believe you listen to. So please try not to insult others' taste in music, okay? <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... iggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />  </td></tr></table>  Good Charlotte is often called sell outs because of people who don't want to listen to what they have to say. They have a lot of unpopular views, even among punks. People don't like seeing greyscale. They want things black and white, or they don't understand them. They also have a tendancy against irony, and unstated parody, common themes in Good Charlotte Simple plan, also commonly argued as a sellout. Their primary promos have been songs tied to movies, and what I find their best quality is that they got the other lesser known bands (of many catigories) they knew gigs on several promos they had, such as the What's New Scooby Doo series (The orriginal Scoobie Doo Where Are You was a leading source of discovery of previously underground artests) They're lyrics are not particularly deep or complex, but make persuesive arguements against many wrongs of society, likewise these songs don't get appreciated by either the Punk or mainstream population as neither want to hear that they are not perfect. I don't know how many people wouldn't call Blink 182 a sell out, but you could probably fit them in small room, as for Greenday, you really have to compare their lyrics across the three albumbs that crossed their increase in popularity, I admit they haven't completely sold out, but they haven't held fast to their principals either. I'll tolerate their music, but I don't go out and buy it for myself. The best "pop" band if you can call them that is BareNaked Ladies (They changed BareNaked to one word in the mid 90s due to internet search cross linking issues.) I'd akin them to be similar to They Might Be Giants. They hardly will stick to one style and they like comody and parody more than anything. Unlike They Might be Giants, they seem to have good subtilety, and can write an entire subtile socio-political parody song and most people will think they are goofing off, as 3/4s of their songs really are just goofing off. It's always a riot to here when the DJ has no idea that he's throwing something extremely politically incorrect on the air without knowing it, and since nobody listens to the lyrics of pop music, it's pretty funny. Hey, they're not as bad as Green Day and Green Day isn't as bad as Blink 182. Green Day has fallen prey to political censorship, causing their lyrics to become shallow and uninspired, but Blink 182 actually had a total change in style when they went Pop. As for Reel Big Fish, they have some serious redeaming qualities. However, they did let their music be promoted by paid airing, something I disapprove of. They had some sort of falling out with the record company and switched to being promoted with movies, this could be related. I've been watching them to see if they redeam themselves. They have managed to promote several unconventional movies and were the key to the success of Shrek, an obvious plus. If that trend continues I may become fans of them again. I don't mean to insult anyone, I'm just expressing my taste. People can object to it just as I can object to theirs. Just so long as they don't go making some statement like "I like listening to the test tone on the off-air screen. That rocks" and expect us to take them seriously. I lost track of songs while writing this Sorry. Currenlty Playing: Guster: Mona Lisa Now: MxPx: Dead End

Ibun · Postby **Ibun** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:06 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Ruedii-X @ Dec 14 2004, 04:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (sirjeffrey @ Dec 14 2004, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> If you ask me, it's Ironic who sung that song. At least Greenday and Blink 182 didn't make remakes of it! *LOL*</td></tr></table>  I certainly hope that wasn't a shot at Reel Big Fish. Also it's spelled Green Day, there is a space in there. And Blink 182 are sellouts. As are Good Charlotte, a band I believe you listen to. So please try not to insult others' taste in music, okay? <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... iggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /> </td></tr></table>  Good Charlotte is often called sell outs because of people who don't want to listen to what they have to say. They have a lot of unpopular views, even among punks. People don't like seeing greyscale. They want things black and white, or they don't understand them. They also have a tendancy against irony, and unstated parody, common themes in Good Charlotte Simple plan, also commonly argued as a sellout. Their primary promos have been songs tied to movies, and what I find their best quality is that they got the other lesser known bands (of many catigories) they knew gigs on several promos they had, such as the What's New Scooby Doo series (The orriginal Scoobie Doo Where Are You was a leading source of discovery of previously underground artests) They're lyrics are not particularly deep or complex, but make persuesive arguements against many wrongs of society, likewise these songs don't get appreciated by either the Punk or mainstream population as neither want to hear that they are not perfect. I don't know how many people wouldn't call Blink 182 a sell out, but you could probably fit them in small room, as for Greenday, you really have to compare their lyrics across the three albumbs that crossed their increase in popularity, I admit they haven't completely sold out, but they haven't held fast to their principals either. I'll tolerate their music, but I don't go out and buy it for myself. The best "pop" band if you can call them that is BareNaked Ladies (They changed BareNaked to one word in the mid 90s due to internet search cross linking issues.) I'd akin them to be similar to They Might Be Giants. They hardly will stick to one style and they like comody and parody more than anything. Unlike They Might be Giants, they seem to have good subtilety, and can write an entire subtile socio-political parody song and most people will think they are goofing off, as 3/4s of their songs really are just goofing off. It's always a riot to here when the DJ has no idea that he's throwing something extremely politically incorrect on the air without knowing it, and since nobody listens to the lyrics of pop music, it's pretty funny. Hey, they're not as bad as Green Day and Green Day isn't as bad as Blink 182. Green Day has fallen prey to political censorship, causing their lyrics to become shallow and uninspired, but Blink 182 actually had a total change in style when they went Pop. As for Reel Big Fish, they have some serious redeaming qualities. However, they did let their music be promoted by paid airing, something I disapprove of. They had some sort of falling out with the record company and switched to being promoted with movies, this could be related. I've been watching them to see if they redeam themselves. They have managed to promote several unconventional movies and were the key to the success of Shrek, an obvious plus. If that trend continues I may become fans of them again. I don't mean to insult anyone, I'm just expressing my taste. People can object to it just as I can object to theirs. Just so long as they don't go making some statement like "I like listening to the test tone on the off-air screen. That rocks" and expect us to take them seriously. I lost track of songs while writing this Sorry. Currenlty Playing: Guster: Mona Lisa Now: MxPx: Dead End  </td></tr></table>  Good Charlotte is in now way shape or form punk. They are pop-rock. Their message has no redeeming quality whatsoever, it is just what I expect to hear from a boy band or pop princess. They only punk-like song they've had is Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, in which they point out what is wrong with the world that extremely wealthy people have the balls to complain about things. Other than that, it's just more mainstream BS being forced down our throats. Simple Plan, I've not rally heard much of anything by them so I cannot comment on whether or not they are or aren't. Green Day, shallow and uninspired? I'm not sure how you figure, since American Idiot is extremely politically charged and anti-Bush, even if they don't admit it. This is easily my favorite album of theirs, even if they are getting banwagon fans because of it. Honestly I don't care how Reel Big Fish gets music out there. It's not the way they do it, it's the sound of the music that matters. And their sound is really good. I don't get how you can not like a band because of what they do outside of the studio. In conclusion, music is about the music, not the actions of the artists. I may not like or even respect the person singing; but if it's got a good sound, I'll like the song. In the same respect, if I do have respect, that does not mean I'll like the music. Now listening to: Bad Religion - Athiest Peace

Ozymandias · Postby **Ozymandias** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:25 pm

Egmont Overture - Beethoven

Ruedii-X · Postby **Ruedii-X** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:40 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (sirjeffrey @ Dec 14 2004, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Good Charlotte is in now way shape or form punk. They are pop-rock. Their message has no redeeming quality whatsoever, it is just what I expect to hear from a boy band or pop princess. They only punk-like song they've had is Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, in which they point out what is wrong with the world that extremely wealthy people have the balls to complain about things. Other than that, it's just more mainstream BS being forced down our throats. Simple Plan, I've not rally heard much of anything by them so I cannot comment on whether or not they are or aren't. Green Day, shallow and uninspired? I'm not sure how you figure, since American Idiot is extremely politically charged and anti-Bush, even if they don't admit it. This is easily my favorite album of theirs, even if they are getting banwagon fans because of it. Honestly I don't care how Reel Big Fish gets music out there. It's not the way they do it, it's the sound of the music that matters. And their sound is really good. I don't get how you can not like a band because of what they do outside of the studio. In conclusion, music is about the music, not the actions of the artists. I may not like or even respect the person singing; but if it's got a good sound, I'll like the song. In the same respect, if I do have respect, that does not mean I'll like the music. Now listening to: Bad Religion - Athiest Peace </td></tr></table>  Like I said, most people see in too much black and white, and instead see all grey as black. I can't judge you on this, because I don't know you enough, I probably could never know you that personally, as your personality appears very complex. However, you seem to have been persueded by someone who has this mind-set whether that is yourself, or someone else, I cannot say. If you've only heard the songs that were promoted on Fuse, and MTV 2, those are their more shallow songs. One of my favorite songs is Woonded, which would never be promoted in a million years. It's a very sad song, done mostly accoustic. The short cut of S.O.S. used in the video was severely cut. They cut several verses instead of shortening the solo. It severely mangled the meaning of the song. However, I wouldn't expect many people to understand the lyrics, and many of those who understand it may not want to listen to them fully, as it rips at your soal to realize the true pattern of thoughts. I cried the first time I heard the full version of the song, instead if the condensed video version. The lyrics are specifically about a type of depression called "recluse depression" where you shell yourself off from the world. That's what the lyrics "I'm sitting right here, yet I'm oceans away" mean. It's a horible experience so perfectly discribed there. Many of their songs also have poetic lyrics which aren't read directly, but instead in pattern the progression of themes. A one word changed in a later verse can make a major difference in the meaning, when you take into account progressive thought. For instance, Secrets, the one I've had the lyrics of in my sig, they change the repeat verse the last time "'cause Everybody wants to hide their secrets away, and that's OK Nobody wants to stand up to the pain and fight again" This change in statement is a statement to the fact that one doesn't have to accept such a drastically painful phillosophy, and forcing it on people would be wrong. It is a painful phillosophy, and I question my sharing that phillosophy every day. I used to try to force it on others, but somehow I felt that some people don't have the mental disipline to handle it. Most of the things I don't admit to most people, is simply because of the average american's judgemental nature. There are certain below the belt shots I can't take, and I know I should never give people I don't trust the ammunition for those shots. I will end up hating them for it, dispite the fact that they don't know any better. You speek of anti-bush, the prelude in We Believe is very much anti-corporate, and anti-greed. Anyways, I appreciate that you can debate without flaming. Most people can't do that. You're pretty open minded. You did force me to take back the extremity of my statement on Reel Big Fish, frankly, they were duped into a promo contract, and had no idea what the company was doing. I think they should have kept a closer eye on the situation, but I can hardly say I wouldn't be blinded in the same situation, so I hold a certain respect in that regard, and so long as they redeme themselves I will become their fans again. Same thing with Green Day. Green Day is running out it's promo contract. Even Blink 182 has rebelled against the status quo initially put on them, but has hardly gone back to doing what they want. I need to note that there is a common misunderstanding about political censorship, it is highly confused. Things that are censored are certain more exacting views. You could point fingers at Bush all you want as long as you stay withen the confines of current political curriculum, but if you go outside, and say something about how we were the ones who provided the nerve gas to Iraq in the first place (The exact canisters Sadam used to gas the Kurds no less, as UN reports found.) Or how we have failed to hold China up to it's agreements under our fair trade agreement with them for the profit of our own companies, over the workers of our own country. You would be booted off the radio in a second. This is like those who supported the fact that Kerry testified against US soldiars in war crimes investigations were also censored in the media. You could say how we are taking advantage of Iraq for it's oil, but one could never say how we underpay the workers at those oil plants, or how we are paying them below market price for the oil per a defense contract that we made with ourselves. You could also say how we never belonged in Iraq, but you couldn't say that the people there wanted us to interfer by political means to aid them in their rebelion, not go and take over the fight. You see my point. Other things you can't question are the black and white that society puts on everything. Did you ever consider that ethics are not easy to see, you can't write that in a song if you want it promoted. It makes Americans feel stupid. This is much like the one O&M strip that David Simpson got in the most trouble for, which was questioning the method of a protest. To do so is considered heracy in the US, and that word was chosen for it's BAD connotation, implying that there is some sort of ethical ruleset that is of a religious scale about freedom. Some people call this ruleset "Americanism" I'm sure you've heard about it. How you're supose to die for your country without asking, how you should respect the flag. Those things you should do by your own choice, not because of society rules, otherwise they are meaningless. BTW, I'd like to note that I am glad you can be respectful in a debate. If people get tired of this O/T debate and ask us to quit, we can either start another thread, or continue in PM. Now Playing: Ataris: So long Astoria (Not the best, I like "My Reply" better. However, it's a good simple song none the less.) --Ammendum to prevent double posting.  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: ("Ozymandias Posted on Dec 14 2004 @ 03:25 PM")</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Egmont Overture - Beethoven </td></tr></table>  Oh, classical, good taste too. I like Bethoven too. I also like Pacabelle. Canon was my babby song. It took me 3 hours to explain to my father how Punk uses the same harmonic method as many forms of classical music. I finally started over and stated "It uses three interlooping harmonys of different keys, switching dominance at key points" That was all he needed. Sometimes fewer words are more . <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' />

Burning Sheep Productions · Postby **Burning Sheep Productions** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:24 am

I like a few of Good Charlotte's songs, but in term of punk music they just sound like try-hards. Simple plan I don't really like cuz they're overly depressing that it sounds fake as well. Blink 182 however is a good band cuz... I dunno, their songs have something in them that make them... you know... thingy... Kiroo - Above the clouds

Zaaphod · Postby **Zaaphod** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:38 am

Pearl Jam - Dissident

Maeglin · Postby **Maeglin** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:53 am

Apulanta - Muistijlet ("Incomplete" in English, which is the version I am listening to.)

Foxchild · Postby **Foxchild** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:09 am

Chrono Trigger - Last Battle

Henohenomoheji · Postby **Henohenomoheji** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:51 pm

Bicycle Race-Naivepop or Petitfool Actually, the entire "Chocolate Niblet Beans" animation on flashplayer, but that's the main song used in the animation. Well, kids, that's all you get. That's it. READ A BOOK!

Supersmoke · Postby **Supersmoke** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:29 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (FoxChild @ Dec 15 2004, 09:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Chrono Trigger - Last Battle  </td></tr></table>  I'm jealous. "Slaget Vid Blodslv" by Finntroll

Ruedii-X · Postby **Ruedii-X** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:38 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Burning Sheep Productions @ Dec 14 2004, 09:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I like a few of Good Charlotte's songs, but in term of punk music they just sound like try-hards. Simple plan I don't really like cuz they're overly depressing that it sounds fake as well. Blink 182 however is a good band cuz... I dunno, their songs have something in them that make them... you know... thingy... Kiroo - Above the clouds  </td></tr></table>  Well, I find Good Charlotte sometimes doesn't think through what they're saying in their music. I seriously think it messes them up mentally. They don't realize what reflecting on you're inner pain can do if you do so when you're not in the right mental state. I think Anthem is pretty lowsy, but I like a lot of their other songs. I actually am not very fond of Lifestyles of the Ritch and Famous. It's a good song, it's just a subject that's been overdone, and it adds nothing new to the arguement. I understand how you say they do try to hard, but it's not like you think. I find they actually try to rip out too much of their innner feelings, and end up really hurting themselves. If they keep it up they will self destruct. I've seen other bands do it. My favorite band is MxPx. They're nice and well balanced, and not hung up on popularity. I personally admire Simple Plan, not so much for their music, but for the fact that dispite being popular they remain loyal to the less popular bands they grew up listening to. Loyalty and honesty are two traits I admire in anyone, dispite anyone's worst trates, these two traits can help correct them if properly utilized. I'm probably going way over your head with all this philosophy. Maybe I should resort to zen, but this stuff is a little complex to explane in a simple obscure analagy. Sometimes the best method is the hardest, you know. playing during the writing of this post (On random playest favoritism bias algorithm): Breathing: Yellow Card (Pretty good) Letting Go: Decendents (I like this one) What You Wish For: Guster (My brother likes this band, they're not bad.) The final Slowdance: MxPx (This is a good song. They need to make an unplugged version.) Just starting as posting: I know what I know: Paul Simon (My dad got me into Paul Simon's music. Obsucre, sometimes deep, and Quite ecclectic.) Interesting mix you might note.

Supersmoke · Postby **Supersmoke** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:45 pm

I can't stand music on the radio anymore. Occasionally I listen to old 80's, 70's rock, but nothing more. Pop music, IMO, is just not that interesting. The female singers sing about themselves being better than men. Whoop-de-f***. The pop-punk bands pretend they're badasses, even though they have wussy songs. Where's the sense in that. (For anyone that doesn't know, pop-punk IS an oxymoron.) The rappers only sing about drugs, sex, and killing each other. Find me a recent song by a rapper on the radio that doesn't sing about one of those 3 things and I'll give you $5. The white male singers just sing songs about getting into a girl's pants. Every. Damn. Time. And then there's underground music. Where the bands usually sing about what they want, not what pop-culture wants them to sing about. Just my 2 cents.

Ibun · Postby **Ibun** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:07 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Ruedii-X @ Dec 15 2004, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Burning Sheep Productions @ Dec 14 2004, 09:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I like a few of Good Charlotte's songs, but in term of punk music they just sound like try-hards. Simple plan I don't really like cuz they're overly depressing that it sounds fake as well. Blink 182 however is a good band cuz... I dunno, their songs have something in them that make them... you know... thingy... Kiroo - Above the clouds </td></tr></table>  Well, I find Good Charlotte sometimes doesn't think through what they're saying in their music. I seriously think it messes them up mentally. They don't realize what reflecting on you're inner pain can do if you do so when you're not in the right mental state. I think Anthem is pretty lowsy, but I like a lot of their other songs. I actually am not very fond of Lifestyles of the Ritch and Famous. It's a good song, it's just a subject that's been overdone, and it adds nothing new to the arguement. I understand how you say they do try to hard, but it's not like you think. I find they actually try to rip out too much of their innner feelings, and end up really hurting themselves. If they keep it up they will self destruct. I've seen other bands do it. My favorite band is MxPx. They're nice and well balanced, and not hung up on popularity. I personally admire Simple Plan, not so much for their music, but for the fact that dispite being popular they remain loyal to the less popular bands they grew up listening to. Loyalty and honesty are two traits I admire in anyone, dispite anyone's worst trates, these two traits can help correct them if properly utilized. I'm probably going way over your head with all this philosophy. Maybe I should resort to zen, but this stuff is a little complex to explane in a simple obscure analagy. Sometimes the best method is the hardest, you know. playing during the writing of this post (On random playest favoritism bias algorithm): Breathing: Yellow Card (Pretty good) Letting Go: Decendents (I like this one) What You Wish For: Guster (My brother likes this band, they're not bad.) The final Slowdance: MxPx (This is a good song. They need to make an unplugged version.) Just starting as posting: I know what I know: Paul Simon (My dad got me into Paul Simon's music. Obsucre, sometimes deep, and Quite ecclectic.) Interesting mix you might note. </td></tr></table>  I'd just like to not that I like a few songs by Good Charlotte, including the two you mentioned there. I was just saying that the songs that I've heard from them aren't incredibly deep, well except for their kickass 9/11 song done with Goldfinger and Mest I believe. That song is f'ing amazing. If they have deep songs, I've yet to hear them. Top 10 Bands: Bad Religion, Billy Joel, Blind Guardian, Flogging Molly, Green Day, Metallica, Phish, Reel Big Fish, The Clash and The Offspring. I've noticed I listen to mostly punk and MEHTUL nowadays; but I still appreciate and daresay enjoy most types of music. I don't care about loyalty and honesty when it comes to music. If it sounds good, I like it, regardless of how much of an asshole the singer is. For example, Eminem. I like his stuff, it's got a good sound and excellent lyrics; but the man himself is an idiot. And before you say anything, his music is NOT about hate. It's just a song. It's the morons who take it seriously that are to blame, not the singer himself. I think I understand what you're getting at Ruedii. I disagree with you; but we can't always agree. I respect the way you feel though. I also am glad we can be civil about this. It's been a good discussion. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /> Playlist during post: The Clash - Spanish Bombs House of Pain - Jump Around Blind Guardian - Time Stands Still (At the Iron Hill) The Offspring - Tehran Billy Joel - The Stranger The Mars Volta - Things' Fear

Ozymandias · Postby **Ozymandias** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:52 pm

Simple Plan - I'm just a kid

Ibun · Postby **Ibun** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:23 pm

Green Day - Basket Case

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