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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:37 am
by Æron
The issue of Segovia for me is superceded by the issue of staunch lack of tolerance shown by some people on this forum. I disagree with Octan and others that Segovia is the problem because I don't think either issue is dependant upon the other. They are hardly even related. Since many people have been getting these two mixed up, I'll outline them:
1) Segovia. He is his own problem.
2) There are assholes on the forum.
There. It's pretty obvious that most people here find Segovia annoying in more ways than one. What certainly isn't so obvious to some people is how to not exacerbate the problem. Proactive concepts-- like not replying to threads you would normally pass off as not-worth-your-time instead of wasting everybody's time and starting pointless controversy-- don't seem to register. If everyone stopped replying to the annoying posts, or even offered constructive criticism, Segovia might clue in to what is acceptible and what is not (Oh and don't tell me having poor art skills is unacceptible. It seems like everyone has forgotten what a supportive community DC was for just-starting-out artists 5 years ago.). On the other hand, tactics like Fritz's (which I have banned Fritz again for btw) do little to foreward causes such as concerning Segovia for the simple reasons that people become sypathetic towards whoever he's being an asshole to, and all it serves is to complicate a once-simple issue, and make everyone weary from drama; consequently, nothing is solved.
What I find absolutely repulsive about Fritz is that rather than starting a real discussion about it, just ignoring Segovia, or even, y'know, getting bored after a few scathing comments, it's always "Hey let's spend hours upon hours tormenting Segovia in hopes that he'll have a mental breakdown and become an hero!" It's sadistic, and it's pathetic.
Agreed, QFT.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:17 am
by osprey
Hear, hear Jason.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:30 am
by gforce422
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:48 am
by FerretParade
Here's to many more horrible horrrible threads and souless caveman scrawled linework.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:55 am
by datherman
But what happens when the constructive criticism is not only ignored but taken as offensive? I think that's also part of the issue here.
I have not voted yet, for the record.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:03 am
by Baconsticks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE
Just change the context to this whole situation, and you have my thoughts almost perfectly.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:04 am
by klimt
give them all a couple weeks of time out, keep them on a short leash when they come back. the entire situation is wrong, that there is a situation in the first place is pretty disgusting.
fritz...if you don't like being moderated, theres a unmoderated board
here full of the kind of people you seem to love getting a rise out of.
segovia...if you can't figure out what you are doing wrong and how to fix it then...you're wasting everyones time and sooner or later you'll go through the door. whether it has to be shown to you or not is up to you.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:32 am
by MuffinSticks
Flamewarriors wheeeeee!
I'm gonna sign up for that!
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:06 am
by Trance
Have any of you considered the possibility that not treating Segovia like a criminal and handing down all these dumb ultimatums for behavior might work better? That maybe giving him time to mellow out might not be too disastrous? Seriously, there's something to be said for civility.
The fact that this kid has got the troll posse seeing red is at the same time hilarious and pitiful. You guys need to grow up.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:18 am
by FerretParade
Cocks
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:18 am
by Gecko
But what happens when the constructive criticism is not only ignored but taken as offensive? I think that's also part of the issue here.
That, a billion times. Any attempts at constructive criticism were taken as offensive.
Cocks
You'd like that, wouldn't you?
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:20 am
by The MAZZTer
Where's the "Who?" poll option?
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:20 am
by FerretParade
But what happens when the constructive criticism is not only ignored but taken as offensive? I think that's also part of the issue here.
That, a billion times. Any attempts at constructive criticism were taken as offensive.
Cocks
You'd like that, wouldn't you?
Lets have a discussion about cocks
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:21 am
by Gecko
But what happens when the constructive criticism is not only ignored but taken as offensive? I think that's also part of the issue here.
That, a billion times. Any attempts at constructive criticism were taken as offensive.
Cocks
You'd like that, wouldn't you?
Lets have a discussion about cocks
http://www.manbottle.com/pictures/man_w ... g_cock.jpg
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:23 am
by FerretParade
I can't handle a cock that huge..how does he do it!
