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<a href='http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/20 ... 10388.html' target='_blank'>http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/20 ... <br>GENEVA (AFX) - Washington has, for the first time, acknowledged to the United Nations that prisoners have been tortured at US detention centres in Guantanamo Bay, as well as Afghanistan and Iraq, a UN source said. <br><br>The acknowledgement was made in a report submitted to the UN Committee against Torture, said a member of the ten-person panel, speaking on on condition of anonymity. <br><br>The document from Washington will not be formally made public until the hearings. <br><br>***<br><br>So, who is left to save the world, from us?

The US people, of course. You guys are a democracy, remember.

At least admitting that there is a problem is a babby step in the right direction.

<!--QuoteBegin-Bocaj Claw+Jun 25 2005, 05:41 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Bocaj Claw @ Jun 25 2005, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> At least admitting that there is a problem is a babby step in the right direction. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> It depends if they see it as a problem.

This is the main reason I can't stand the Bush administration. I'm not such a cynic as to believe that he or any of his immediate subordinates specifically ordered or even condone these atrocities, but even an idiot could see that the best response is to acknowledge and then publicly condemn it rather than pretend it's not happening. The effect this is having is that people will, and do, believe the torturing was his idea and perceive him as a total monster. And only a total monster would condone something like this. The same kind of monster that people keep saying Saddam Hussein was.<br><br>That's actually the main reason I prefer to think of Bush as an incompetent leader rather than an "evil genius." I don't think I could handle it if our own President, much less one who claims to be a Christian, turned out to be the same kind of heartless monster as Saddam Hussein or Kim Jong Il.

I'd say he's an accomplice to the real evil genius(es).

<!--QuoteBegin-Gizensha+Jun 25 2005, 10:57 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Gizensha @ Jun 25 2005, 10:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> The US people, of course. You guys are a democracy, remember. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Yep, good point!!!! Very good point, what do you think my statement about Emotional Anarchist was about. Us Americans seem to think we can't do anything about our own nation, and see what happens to it.<br><br>To believe that anarchy exists when it doesn't is to create it. We need to believe in our own power to stop this sort of thing.<br><br>I keep seeing the stages of this pattern in young people from other nations, and it worries me.<br><br>This World is made of Love and Peace!!! It is time we sent that message to the White House!!!!!