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Because the Israelis are still doing it.

EDIT: Before you misinterpret that, what I mean to say is that Israel is still quite hostile, and is contributing to a lot of the problems in the Mid-East, whereas Britain is not (at least not to nearly the same degree). Britain does have a lot of blood on it's hands, but Israel is a bigger issue here and now.

I find it deeply ironic that the Israelis complain about the terrorism of the people who they stole the land from using terrorism in the first place.

"stole the land from using terrorism in the first place."

Bedtime reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinia ... 47-1948%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29

[Loeln]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinia ... 47-1948%29

"In the immediate aftermath of the United Nations' approval of the Partition plan, the explosions of joy amongst the Jewish community were counterbalanced by the expression of discontent amongst the Arab community. Soon thereafter, violence broke out and became more and more prevalent. Murders, reprisals, and counter-reprisals came one after the other, killing dozens of victims on both sides in the process, a bloody situation that was not helped by fact that no one intervened to put a stop to the escalating violence."

-after the creation of Israel, after the land was given to the Israelis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

"Deir Yassin massacre refers to the killing of about 107 to 120 [1] Palestinian Arabs at the village of Deir Yassin (also written as Dayr Yasin or Dir Yassin) near Jerusalem in the British Mandatee by an Irgun-Lehi force between April 9 and April 11, 1948 as part of Operation Nachshon, an Israeli military offense intended to fend off the siege of Jerusalem"
Again, after the creation of Israel.

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Tiberias_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand_%28Palestine%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936-1939_ ... _Palestine

While it's true that Israelis were using terrorism to remove the British and Palestinians, considering the same was true for Palestinians each having fought to remove the British, each having prior established terrorist groups and movements to fight the British and the other guy's people, each having massacred the other's people) whether the terrorism of one side helped the British to decide who to give the land more than the terrorism of the other side did is doubtful.

I find it deeply hypocritical that you argue the terrorism of the Israelis, saying they "stole" the land, yet ignore the terrorism of the Palestinians -whose ancestors "stole" the land from the Israelites in the first place.

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Hypocritical? Are you pantsless serious? Dude, that was thousands of years ago...by that logic I as a person of Celtic descent should hate all Anglo Saxons considering they damn near ethnically clensed the British Isles.

I have never said that I support the Palestinians one iota, I just distrust Israel. It's not anti-semetism, it's not racism, it's just my feelings on the whole pants up shitty mess.

I fully await you pulling apart every single word I've said with pedantic impunity.

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Hypocritical? Are you pantsless serious? Dude, that was thousands of years ago...by that logic I as a person of Celtic descent should hate all Anglo Saxons considering they damn near ethnically clensed the British Isles.

I have never said that I support the Palestinians one iota, I just distrust Israel. It's not anti-semetism, it's not racism, it's just my feelings on the whole pants up shitty mess.

I fully await you pulling apart every single word I've said with pedantic impunity.

I know it was thousands of years ago; that's why it's "stole" the land.

Neither the palestinians or Israelis stole the land at all; only Britain did. While you can have all these reasons for not trusting Israel, mind that a lot to all of them apply the same to the Palestinians/Arabians as they do Israel.

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Do you at least agree that one of the major reasons for them all hating each other is the fact that after the 1968 war, Israel kept land that didn't belong to them, that The British Empire didn't allot them, and that rightfully belongs to the people who live there?

Or have I just been raised on lies from the moon?

[Comrade K]

Hypocritical? Are you pantsless serious? Dude, that was thousands of years ago...by that logic I as a person of Celtic descent should hate all Anglo Saxons considering they damn near ethnically clensed the British Isles.

I have never said that I support the Palestinians one iota, I just distrust Israel. It's not anti-semetism, it's not racism, it's just my feelings on the whole pants up shitty mess.

I fully await you pulling apart every single word I've said with pedantic impunity.

I know it was thousands of years ago; that's why it's "stole" the land.

Neither the palestinians or Israelis stole the land at all; only Britain did. While you can have all these reasons for not trusting Israel, mind that a lot to all of them apply the same to the Palestinians/Arabians as they do Israel.

And did he say that they didn't? Sure, the Palestinians act the same way, or even worse, but they always garner criticism from the media and the like, whereas Israel does not. Israel, as you pointed out, is "free", and that is precisely why it irritates people like me. It acts as though it's a great free progressive country, but it frequently lashes out in the same primitive way as the Palestinians. Is it better than most of it's neighbours? Yes. But is it beyond criticism because of this? No. In fact, since it is a more modern country, it should be criticized more, as it frequently stoops to the same levels as the Palestinians.

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And did he say that they didn't? Sure, the Palestinians act the same way, or even worse, but they always garner criticism from the media and the like, whereas Israel does not. Israel, as you pointed out, is "free", and that is precisely why it irritates people like me. It acts as though it's a great free progressive country, but it frequently lashes out in the same primitive way as the Palestinians. Is it better than most of it's neighbours? Yes. But is it beyond criticism because of this? No. In fact, since it is a more modern country, it should be criticized more, as it frequently stoops to the same levels as the Palestinians.

And it is criticized greatly because of that, as shown by the international response during the war against Hezbollah.

Do you at least agree that one of the major reasons for them all hating each other is the fact that after the 1968 war, Israel kept land that didn't belong to them, that The British Empire didn't allot them, and that rightfully belongs to the people who live there?

Or have I just been raised on lies from the moon?

Agreed, though they've finally begun to work to correct that; returning the Sinai peninsula and withdrawing from the Gaza strip, allowing Palestinian governance over some of the West bank, etc.

Then Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers.

[Comrade K]

Then Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers.

There's a different motive there I think. As I've mentionned before, many of these extremist groups need to create an enemy, a sort of common threat, in order to rally the people to their banner. Hezbollah's threat is Israel. So Hezbollah provoke Israel, Israel reacts, Hezbollah look like freedom fighters.
+50 brownie points for Hezbollah.

They need the threat to keep up support, and if the threat is diminishing, they try to change the course.

[Richard K Niner]

whereas Israel does not

Just out of curiosity, which paper do you read in the morning? (If it's owned or was owned by Global, then I guess I shouldn't be surprised.)

[Comrade K]

whereas Israel does not

Just out of curiosity, which paper do you read in the morning? (If it's owned or was owned by Global, then I guess I shouldn't be surprised.)

No, I avoid Global.
I don't get any papers apart from the local ones, which don't concern themselves with world affairs so much, apart from Canadians in Afghanistan.

On TV I usually watch CBC or CTV (I like CBC's international coverage more, but CTV actually has local news). On the internet, I usually check the respective sites for CBC, BBC, sometimes for an American perspective: CNN and Al-Jazeera. There are others I check, but not frequently.

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Then Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers.

Kidnapped? Oh dear! You mean kept alive and everything?

Because that's so much worse than a suicide bomb, or a helicopter gunship launching rockets into a crowded market place...

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Then Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers.

Kidnapped? Oh dear! You mean kept alive and everything?

Because that's so much worse than a suicide bomb, or a helicopter gunship launching rockets into a crowded market place...

Kidnapped two, after killing three others when Hezbollah sent in a unit into Israel -a unit that had been able to cross the Israeli border because the rest of the Israeli border force was being distracted by the missiles Hezbollah was shooting into Israel border towns. When Israel first tried to rescue the soldiers, Hezbollah managed to kill five more, and continued to fire rockets at Israeli towns.

The more you know.

[Rooster]

Then Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers.

Kidnapped? Oh dear! You mean kept alive and everything?

Because that's so much worse than a suicide bomb, or a helicopter gunship launching rockets into a crowded market place...

Kidnapped two, after killing three others when Hezbollah sent in a unit into Israel -a unit that had been able to cross the Israeli border because the rest of the Israeli border force was being distracted by the missiles Hezbollah was shooting into Israel border towns. When Israel first tried to rescue the soldiers, Hezbollah managed to kill five more, and continued to fire rockets at Israeli towns.

The more you know.

Indeed, however if the IDF hadn't systematically persecuted and treated those people like second class citizens in a country that they have every right to live in then it would never have come to this...but on the other hand, it's impossible to condone the murder, and suicide bombing of non-combatants EVEN if their government is your enemy. But I suppose that could be said of either side.

Then again, both sides seem to be fatally retarded. It's Northern Ireland in the 60s all over again...maybe in 40 years they might hear of the word "toleration" and at least pretend to get along.

Here's hoping, eh?