Random Philosophy/Physics 2

norsenerd · Postby **norsenerd** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 6:59 am

One thing glares out at me. Analysists (Analysis is the branch of math that is most interested in computions) really only work with aproximations for the most part. They can get in whatever desired eror but they still use aproximations. It's very had to get something exact but its usal easy to get arbitraraly close. Also the axioms are easy to acept. Have you heard about the axiom of choice, the well ordered principle, and zorns lema. The interplay is an interesting study of this? Also 1+1=2 is not an axiom it's a definition.

penguinita · Postby **penguinita** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:45 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Tavis @ Dec 7 2003, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> If you want a bit more understanding of how things are proven to be correct, I'm ready to offer more information.. after a couple computer science courses and a philosophy course in logic, I might be able to clarify those a bit further.  </td></tr></table>  proofs! bleck! i think i've had enough of them to last me atleast until midway thorugh next term! (i've just come from far too many consecutive hrs of math hw, precieded by far too many nearly consecutive hrs of the same homework set, so i'm a bit saturated on math proofs) while i've been working on this hw set, i've been thinking about this discussion, and i htink i've almost got my ideas more clarified to myself- i dont' think i was first typing what i really htoguht, plus you two have managed to purswade me on a few points, but htere's others that i'm staying firm on. (i realy do wish we could have this discussion in real time, in person, it'd be so much more fun *pout* oh well) (and norsenerd- i just plucked that example from thin air, as being a theory that most ppl would have heard of) norsenerd- thanks for clarifying my statement about axioms nevermind, i'll elaborate now: math and physics aren't the same, jsut very clostly related- eg its really hard to do much physics w/o math. physics is math plus aplilcations. that's not to say that phsyics research is like, but thats sorta what learnign physics is like. maybe thats just my mindset.... but thats why i think a solid math background is a must for any scientist. and i do think all hard sciences eventually come down to physics, which is why i think a good physics background is also important for any scientist. with some sciences- eg neurobiology- the raw physics is hidden behind many layers of aproxemations b/c we don't yet have the accumulated knowledge to see it all. an example of the opposite- structor can be caluculated for some protiens based upon knowledge of what atoms, how many of them, electron configureations etc., and i say thats all physics (well, yes, its chemistry too, but see, chemistry is just physics also, but ...).... hmm, maybe i shoudl go take that nap before any more attempts at rational thought

norsenerd · Postby **norsenerd** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:45 pm

I agree

Tavis · Postby **Tavis** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 6:50 pm

Ditto here.

Zylo · Postby **Zylo** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:32 pm

Yea, I agree with all this. Now stop, please, some of our heads are beginning to hurt.

penguinita · Postby **penguinita** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:42 pm

i'll stop w/ this for the moment atleast. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /> (MUHAHHAHA! i said nothing about later!) having just finished that math hw, my brain is a bit fried on the subject anyways. *starts new subject* *throuws jello at everyone* do ppl remember the strip where millie trhouw jello at the ceeilling and said somehting like- see, not everything must come down? has anyone ever attempted that? i've been tempted.....

Zylo · Postby **Zylo** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:55 pm

My mom never makes Jell-o. I was more a Silly Putty artist myself.

norsenerd · Postby **norsenerd** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 8:40 pm

Somebody last year during the first week of classes gat a half eaten gumyworm to stik to the cealing. It was there when they moved ou two semesters later.

Bendarr · Postby **Bendarr** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 8:53 pm

That was one heck of a tree! I think it hit me. (reels from making the mistake of attempting to read the whole thread in one swoop)

Burning Sheep Productions · Postby **Burning Sheep Productions** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:39 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Ozymandias_the_great @ Dec 8 2003, 05:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Yea, I agree with all this. Now stop, please, some of our heads are beginning to hurt.  </td></tr></table>  Arg the gesundeitation man! Wheeeezee...

Tavis · Postby **Tavis** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:52 am

Y'know.. on a freakish coincidence, I saw "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air" this morning... okay, the last minute or so of it.. anyway, someone was asking Will this exact question and responded "Yeah, of course!"... then as the teacher watches him, he gets all uncomfortable and says "I mean no!".. he eventually starts rambling... "What if it falls on a (I forget what animal he said.. gerbil? doesn't sound right..)" "Does it count if the gerbil makes the noise?" Anyway...

Burning Sheep Productions · Postby **Burning Sheep Productions** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:30 am

Why shouldn't it make a noise?

Ibon · Postby **Ibon** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:55 am

It makes a big whoosh sound, and then a crash. The world doesn't revolve around ears, after all. Simply because the deaf man cannot hear does not make me mute.

Henohenomoheji · Postby **Henohenomoheji** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:42 pm

I'm sorry, what? I wasn't listening. (and I probably never will <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' />)

erikbarrett · Postby **erikbarrett** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:09 pm

Ohhh.... good point.

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