The Stanley Cup thread

[Bocaj Claw]

Its japanimationime. They have a more laissez faire attitude towards pupils than I do.

[TyVulpine]

Its japanimationime. They have a more laissez faire attitude towards pupils than I do.

And drawing the character as well. Anime for the most part has the WORST drawings I've seen, and are far below Disney, yet for some reason, Americans seem to prefer the crappy anime style over Disney style...(I admit some anime is good, like Wolf's Rain)

[Baconsticks]

Its japanimationime. They have a more laissez faire attitude towards pupils than I do.

And drawing the character as well. Anime for the most part has the WORST drawings I've seen, and are far below Disney, yet for some reason, Americans seem to prefer the crappy anime style over Disney style...(I admit some anime is good, like Wolf's Rain)

I agree, but not all of it is bad. Go watch a Hyao Miyazaki film sometime. His attention to detail is amazing. It's just that those damn weaboos ruined it for the rest of us.

[Muninn]

I agree, but not all of it is bad. Go watch a Hyao Miyazaki film sometime.

Listen to this advice.

There's a process known as limited animation. You eschew the realism of every frame for a simpler, more abstract approach with less movement. A lot of television cartoons use this, simply because they don't have the time and money that movies have. It's not just Japanese animation, you can find it in a lot of American cartoons as well.

[Bocaj Claw]

Sturgeon's Law. Ninety percent of anything is crap.

[Doc Sigma]

Its japanimationime. They have a more laissez faire attitude towards pupils than I do.

And drawing the character as well. Anime for the most part has the WORST drawings I've seen, and are far below Disney, yet for some reason, Americans seem to prefer the crappy anime style over Disney style...(I admit some anime is good, like Wolf's Rain)[/7quote]

Classic Disney stuff is pure awesome in a bottle... but at some point they did what everyone else did and switched to pure CG and now it's all crap and even the worst anime looks better.

[nickspoon]

It's not the style that makes me like animé. I mean, where but Japan will you find a cartoon about baking bread? Nowhere.

(Yakitate!! Japan, it rocks)

[TyVulpine]

I agree, but not all of it is bad. Go watch a Hyao Miyazaki film sometime.

Listen to this advice.

There's a process known as limited animation. You eschew the realism of every frame for a simpler, more abstract approach with less movement. A lot of television cartoons use this, simply because they don't have the time and money that movies have. It's not just Japanese animation, you can find it in a lot of American cartoons as well.

Yeah, but Americans don't "forget" to give the characters noses nor do the "standing up, flat on face, standing back up in three frames" BS like the lazy Anime animators.

[nickspoon]

Yeah, but Americans don't "forget" to give the characters noses nor do the "standing up, flat on face, standing back up in three frames" BS like the lazy Anime animators.

These are stylistic points, not laziness. The jerky animation has stuck from times when there were limits on the number of frames per episode, because of the budget, and it was very time-consuming to animate smoothly. Now this isn't so much of a problem, and some animé is animated very smoothly.

The basic depictions of facial features and exaggeration of emotional expressions is characteristic of animé, and once again, certain artists deviate from this norm. The idea is that rather than complete realism the emotion is displayed clearly and vividly, which I believe works.

[TyVulpine]

Yeah, but Americans don't "forget" to give the characters noses nor do the "standing up, flat on face, standing back up in three frames" BS like the lazy Anime animators.

These are stylistic points, not laziness. The jerky animation has stuck from times when there were limits on the number of frames per episode, because of the budget, and it was very time-consuming to animate smoothly. Now this isn't so much of a problem, and some animé is animated very smoothly.

The basic depictions of facial features and exaggeration of emotional expressions is characteristic of animé, and once again, certain artists deviate from this norm. The idea is that rather than complete realism the emotion is displayed clearly and vividly, which I believe works.

And this is why I prefer Disney and pretty much every other American animation studio (except CGI studios like Pixar). They don't "skimp" on budget and then have that force animators to "skip" frames.

[Bocaj Claw]

Funny story: If you watch Secret of Nihm, theres a part where Ms. BrisbyFrisby jumps forward five feet in a second when climbing something because there were no intervening frames drawn.

[Tom Flapwell]

Modern anime has mostly better budgets than Hanna Barbera did in the '60s and '70s.

Anyway, if you think supreme simplicity is a flaw, then I guess you don't like "Peanuts."

[Bocaj Claw]

My bocajian attitude is that theres good japanime and bad japanime. I, me, myself, enjoys the Excel Saga anime.

Likewise, there are good westernimations and bad westernimations. Like the stuff they show on nickelodeon. Or most of the original shows on Adult Swim.

True fact: There are no good Russianimations. The proof is that they did the cutscenes for the Phillips CDi zelda games.

Don't even get me started on those hacks in the antarctican animation business. Haaaaaaate.

[Muninn]

Yeah, but Americans don't "forget" to give the characters noses nor do the "standing up, flat on face, standing back up in three frames" BS like the lazy Anime animators.

Like it was said, that's a stylistic choice. American cartoons generally have their own similar differences like this, that may be called faults.

They don't "skimp" on budget and then have that force animators to "skip" frames.

A lot of them re-use cels. That's an issue with their budget. Certain famous UPA animations in the 50's were notorious for almost completely lacking backgrounds.

True fact: There are no good Russianimations.

Check out Hedgehog in the Fog sometime.

[Mista_B]

Eh, most American animation is made in Korea or China, everything else is just a stylistic conceit. I have noticed, though, that while most Japanese cartoons (anime) have strong characterization and interesting stories, most American... well, don't. Not all, just most.