Jan 25th 2008: Forensic work

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Postby MandoAndy » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:25 pm

The last we saw of him was when he mythbusted Jeremy's face falling off
No, we saw him once since.
...um...that's exactly the comic strip I was referring to when I said he "mythbusted Jeremy's face falling off". Meaning, he busted Avery's myth that his face fell off.

Sorry, I've been watching Mythbusters too much.

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Postby teozo » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:30 pm

You can never watch to much of the Mythbusters.
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Postby MandoAndy » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:31 pm

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Amen to that, Teozo! =)

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Postby Rocketman » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:51 pm

I never did trust or like Ms. Sorkowitz. I was hoping my instincts were wrong, but it seems as if she's just as biased towards the popular kids as I thought she was.
Like I said in the last thread, I think it's less that than having been ground down by years of elementary-age kids (of which Millie has had more than her fair share), she just doesn't give a damn anymore.

Something tells me if the popular kids were to bring complaints to her, they'd get the same treatment, but popular kids have less complaints to bring in the first place.

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Postby Hanging Tree » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:56 pm

The good news being, that argument works *only* on a school setting. Judges, for example, rarely see actual crimes - they make decisions regarding the validity of *evidence* - as do parents. Parent didn't see the child steal and eat the cookie, but the child's mouth is covered in cookie crumbs - odds are, the kid took the cookie

And when the judge is told by a criminal that it was somebody else that did it the judge always listens because we know guilty people never lie. In fact listening to what the accused say is more reliable then eye witness testimoney.
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Postby GeorgiaCoyote » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:02 pm

You can never watch to much of the Mythbusters.
So true...so true. I caught the new one Wednesday night. Big explosions=me happy.
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Postby MandoAndy » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:11 pm

So true...so true. I caught the new one Wednesday night. Big explosions=me happy.
I have to admit - 200 lbs. of TNT blown up underwater is pretty satisfying to watch. =)

However, I really do watch it more for the science stuff than the explosions... no, really! Truly! ...you can believe me!!

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Postby Lig » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:39 pm

My respect for Millie's teacher is going down the drain on this one. I've had some bad teachers and some experiences like this but normally though the teacher would see reason and the SOB that provoked it would get in trouble too. But usually I just got a warning and said to tell a teacher if someone bothered me and well nothing happened. Ah. School systems. It seems everything the government runs is pants up in some way. America. A Village led by it's idiots.
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Postby GeorgiaCoyote » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:26 pm

However, I really do watch it more for the science stuff than the explosions... no, really! Truly! ...you can believe me!!
Suuuure ya do. I'm just messing with ya. As a scientist myself, I do enjoy the science part of it. It's nice to have a show that makes science just plain cool.
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Postby Cosmic^Chicory » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:35 pm

The good news being, that argument works *only* on a school setting. Judges, for example, rarely see actual crimes - they make decisions regarding the validity of *evidence* - as do parents. Parent didn't see the child steal and eat the cookie, but the child's mouth is covered in cookie crumbs - odds are, the kid took the cookie

And when the judge is told by a criminal that it was somebody else that did it the judge always listens because we know guilty people never lie. In fact listening to what the accused say is more reliable then eye witness testimoney.
Huh? No, what I'm saying is, that all the evidence should be looked at, not what what's seen from a distance or at a first glace. And not just listening to the accused, but listening to *all* the witnesses, *before* deciding guilt. When the judge is told buy a criminal/guilty person, the judge goes, 'hey, wait I minute, I'm just collecting evidence, I haven't decided anything about guilt yet'.

My point being, that in the real world, first appearences are often wrong, and it's better to spend at least a few questions trying to figure out what happened, instead of jumping to conclusions and doing whatever is 'easiest.' In fact, that's why we have a legal system in the first place - without it, we'd have no choice but to do what Ms. Sorkowitz does - that is, punish who we think should be punished for no other reason than that we *think* they should be, regardless of what the actual truth may be.

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Postby Tom Flapwell » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:35 pm

The last we saw of him was when he mythbusted Jeremy's face falling off
No, we saw him once since.
...um...that's exactly the comic strip I was referring to when I said he "mythbusted Jeremy's face falling off". Meaning, he busted Avery's myth that his face fell off.
Boy, it's a good thing I wasn't working on editing when I had that lapse in reading comprehension.
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Postby Rocketman » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:53 pm

My point being, that in the real world, first appearences are often wrong, and it's better to spend at least a few questions trying to figure out what happened, instead of jumping to conclusions and doing whatever is 'easiest.' In fact, that's why we have a legal system in the first place - without it, we'd have no choice but to do what Ms. Sorkowitz does - that is, punish who we think should be punished for no other reason than that we *think* they should be, regardless of what the actual truth may be.

*shrug*
Of course, it's simply not possible to have a legal system in the school world, at least not one like a nation's legal system. Otherwise, Timulty would have graduated by the time the sentence was passed down. :-P

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Postby Hanging Tree » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:04 pm

Huh? No, what I'm saying is, that all the evidence should be looked at, not what what's seen from a distance or at a first glace. And not just listening to the accused, but listening to *all* the witnesses, *before* deciding guilt. When the judge is told buy a criminal/guilty person, the judge goes, 'hey, wait I minute, I'm just collecting evidence, I haven't decided anything about guilt yet'.

My point being, that in the real world, first appearences are often wrong, and it's better to spend at least a few questions trying to figure out what happened, instead of jumping to conclusions and doing whatever is 'easiest.' In fact, that's why we have a legal system in the first place - without it, we'd have no choice but to do what Ms. Sorkowitz does - that is, punish who we think should be punished for no other reason than that we *think* they should be, regardless of what the actual truth may be.

*shrug*

Well lets look at the evidence. We have eye witness testimoney from the teacher that Millie hit Jeremy. Millie hasn't denied hitting him either. We have mud on Millie, but she also has a history of activly playing in mud, and we have her best friend in the world who is not a reliable witness because he is bias. Given that the teacher has little to no time to gather more evidence or testimoney I feel that there is little other conclusion she could draw from the situation.
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Postby Rocketman » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:08 pm

We have mud on Millie, but she also has a history of activly playing in mud
Plus, if she happened to look over there before Jeremy showed up, she could've seen that Millie fell in the mud with no Jeremy present.

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Postby Cosmic^Chicory » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:27 pm

Well lets look at the evidence. We have eye witness testimoney from the teacher that Millie hit Jeremy. Millie hasn't denied hitting him either. We have mud on Millie, but she also has a history of activly playing in mud, and we have her best friend in the world who is not a reliable witness because he is bias. Given that the teacher has little to no time to gather more evidence or testimoney I feel that there is little other conclusion she could draw from the situation.
Other evidence: Jeremy's history as a known and violent bully. I believe Ms. Mudd sued for that before. Millie's history as a peaceful person. Ozy being another witness - just becuase he's her friend doesn't make him unreliable as a witness, especially given the fact that Jeremy has been bullying him for years and that fact is also on record at the school.

Given all that, in addition to the size difference between them, and at the very least, you have a case of obvious self-defence. I'm certain that Ms. Sorkowitz has at least a basic understanding of the natures of her students, and that alone, in such a situation, would be enough for her to at least consider that there may be more going on that what seems obvious.

Notice - she never wondered *why* Millie hit Jeremy. She's only reacting to the last of a sequence of events - as I said earler, that's not something you can afford to do anywhere, especially in a school. Unless she perhaps is already on medication for that? In which case, she needs her dosage looked at. :-P


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