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Postby Bocaj Claw » Thu May 07, 2009 3:25 pm

The atmosphere has gotten a bit toxic. Still, its a shame.

This lack of further endorsement. What does it mean in concrete, non-abstract terms?
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Postby nickspoon » Thu May 07, 2009 4:40 pm

I don't care whether DCS considers us an official O&M fan forum or not. Recently we've only been very tangentially related to O&M, anyway; we haven't been first and foremost an O&M forum for a long time. As far as I'm aware we never really answered to DCS either. He was no more privileged than any other member.

However, allowing the forum to die is very much the last thing I want. The problem is that having no focused topic will reduce our intake of new members to practically nil. I'm not sure whether this will be a big problem or not; perhaps we'll all get on like a happy, active family for ever and ever, but it worries me.

I don't think the solution is to split the board, nor do I think that we should repeal our nominal commitment to family-friendliness. I don't want to see this board descend into mutual trolling - that, despite what DCS may think, is a truly toxic atmosphere. The board as it is presently is a perfectly nice place to be, bar the occasional tiff, and I don't think amending the rules will make that any better (especially considering that nobody pays attention to them anyway).

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Postby Trance » Thu May 07, 2009 5:16 pm

This lack of further endorsement. What does it mean in concrete, non-abstract terms?
My best guess is that DCS will no longer refer anyone here through links, newsposts or other means. There would be no information available to new readers about this site or how to reach it.

She may also decide never to post or even visit here again, but that is not at all for sure.

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Postby Dr. Sticks » Thu May 07, 2009 8:14 pm

The board as it is presently is a perfectly nice place to be, bar the occasional tiff, and I don't think amending the rules will make that any better (especially considering that nobody pays attention to them anyway).
This is my thought.

It would make little sense for DC to suddenly reinstate all of the nice rules from back when Tavis was a mod, despite how nice the forums were then. My only regret is that we now have no pool of new members to draw from.

if we really wanted to, I guess we could find some sort of new comic that a modern member writes (but it would have to be a regular thing... outside of that one weird ex-member who currently writes a comic featuring an 8 year old catgirl with a pornstar as a mother, I don't know of any)

I merely suggested a new website so that RD and future OM comics would have a proper place to be discussed, since it's been pretty apparent for a while that none of the regulars have anything positive to say, but there's still lots of people that do.
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Postby nickspoon » Thu May 07, 2009 9:02 pm

I merely suggested a new website so that RD and future OM comics would have a proper place to be discussed, since it's been pretty apparent for a while that none of the regulars have anything positive to say, but there's still lots of people that do.
That's the responsibility of DCS or somebody who likes RD enough, and they're welcome to. I will not be involved.
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Postby osprey » Thu May 07, 2009 9:06 pm

I do think DC is doing fine personally. I think DCS probably reacted this way due to recent comments over RD, though I have no problem with that.
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Postby Comrade K » Thu May 07, 2009 9:26 pm

Hey, remember way back when, when I made a topic about creating a forum for DC member's webcomics or planned webcomics?
Maybe DC's new focus could be something like that.

Also, nickspoon's post summed up a lot of my thoughts on this quite well.
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Postby Dr. Sticks » Thu May 07, 2009 10:51 pm

Nick that's why I'm the one saying this; lol
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Well put doog. You never posted anything offensive whatsoever
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Postby Æron » Thu May 07, 2009 11:14 pm

You know, it would have been nice of DCS to give us notice and/or explanation instead of underhandedly just cutting the link and making a small note of it on the O&M site. A giant "pants you" to us all. Some of us may deserve it, but it's hardly fair to the rest.
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Postby MuffinSticks » Thu May 07, 2009 11:14 pm

As if that means anything coming from DCS.
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Postby Comrade K » Thu May 07, 2009 11:58 pm

You know, it would have been nice of DCS to give us notice and/or explanation instead of underhandedly just cutting the link and making a small note of it on the O&M site. A giant "pants you" to us all. Some of us may deserve it, but it's hardly fair to the rest.
Honestly, I think DCS is just butthurt that people don't like RD, and that they call h(im/er) on h(is/er) various stupid opinions/actions etc.
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Postby Æron » Fri May 08, 2009 12:00 am

You know, it would have been nice of DCS to give us notice and/or explanation instead of underhandedly just cutting the link and making a small note of it on the O&M site. A giant "pants you" to us all. Some of us may deserve it, but it's hardly fair to the rest.
Honestly, I think DCS is just butthurt that people don't like RD, and that they call h(im/er) on h(is/er) various stupid opinions/actions etc.
I too suspect that is part of it.
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Postby Steve the Pocket » Fri May 08, 2009 1:28 am

It's kind of hard to "disown" us considering that she never "owned" us in the first place. I never was very comfortable with being moved into the Ozy and Millie site's main linkbar in the first place; it was like we had become official, to some extent, and were suddenly held to some sort of standard. Before that we were just lumped in with the other list of fan projects that nobody bothers to read. I found it purely by accident by Googling "Ozy and Millie", and Heaven knows why I was compelled to even do that.

And it was that sense of officiality (shut up, spell check, that is TOO a word) that convinced us to add a board for a comic we hadn't even seen yet and had no idea if we liked or not even though this was supposed to be a "fan forum." Surprise surprise, turns out most of us are in fact not fans of that other comic, and are in no way shy about saying so on the "fan forum". To quote GLaDOS: Nice job breaking it, hero.
if we really wanted to, I guess we could find some sort of new comic that a modern member writes (but it would have to be a regular thing... outside of that one weird ex-member who currently writes a comic featuring an 8 year old catgirl with a pornstar as a mother, I don't know of any)
That was suggested about a year ago when Dana announced that Ozy and Millie would be ending. It didn't get enough support, even though we had quite a few members with their own webcomics at the time, and in hindsight it probably would have gone about as well for them as it has for Raine Dog.

Fact is, Define Cynical worked because it was a forum created by and for fans of one particular piece of work that had been around for years and had a fairly small but dedicated fanbase. We were free from the formality of being official or run by the work's creator, and ironically this is what made it such a good place for fans. I stand by what I said earlier, that anything I create will never have an official forum for this very reason.

It's sad, really, because this was the first online community where I really connected with any of the other members. I'd say I'll miss them, but I already do because most of them have already left! And I know I'll probably never see them again unless by some miracle some other thing comes along that we coincidentally all like and latch onto enough to make and join a fan forum for.

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Postby Comrade K » Fri May 08, 2009 1:53 am

outside of that one weird ex-member who currently writes a comic featuring an 8 year old catgirl with a pornstar as a mother, I don't know of any)
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Postby gforce422 » Fri May 08, 2009 1:59 am

outside of that one weird ex-member who currently writes a comic featuring an 8 year old catgirl with a pornstar as a mother, I don't know of any)
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