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Postby Miles E Traysandor » Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:04 pm

In today's local headlines:<br><br><a href='http://news.bostonherald.com/dnc2004/vi ... leid=35872' target='_blank'>DNC Security Sinks Kids' Swimming Holes</a><br><br>... completely and totally ridiculous. When will it stop?<br><br>You want even more DNC goodness? How about this from yesterday's headlines:<br><a href='http://news.bostonherald.com/dnc2004/vi ... leid=35696' target='_blank'>Public Restrooms will be Closed during DNC</a><br><br>...So you're telling me I gotta take a leak on the streets?!<br><br>And of course, the granddaddy of them all...<br><a href='http://news.bostonherald.com/dnc2004/vi ... leid=35557' target='_blank'>Drivers get to go one more exit up on Interstate 93</a><br><br>...Yeah, like THAT'S going to help the traffic nightmares during the DNC... they've got EVERY SINGLE MAJOR ROADWAY GOING IN AND OUT OF BOSTON CLOSED FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! I am so glad I don't have to drive anywhere near Boston.<br><br>And that's just the beginning of it... check out <a href='http://news.bostonherald.com/dnc2004/' target='_blank'>http://news.bostonherald.com/dnc2004/</a> for all kinds of headlines concerning this upcoming convention.
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Postby norsenerd » Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:48 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower+Jul 16 2004, 01:04 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower @ Jul 16 2004, 01:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> DNC Security Sinks Kids' Swimming Holes<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>They'll be closed for one hour more each each day. Is that realy that horable?<br><br><!--QuoteBegin-Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower+Jul 16 2004, 01:04 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower @ Jul 16 2004, 01:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Public Restrooms will be Closed during DNC<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>At least Boston has public rest rooms!!! If you tell me how to relive myself in New York City when nature calls wihtout visiting and paying money at an establisment liek McDonalds then perhaps I will have some sympathy.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin-Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower+Jul 16 2004, 01:04 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower @ Jul 16 2004, 01:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Drivers get to go one more exit up on Interstate 93<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Are you complining about an exit being OPENED? Why?<br><br><br>It seams to me that there woudl be other issues that are more worth your efort and complaint.
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Postby Ozymandias » Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:18 pm

The whole thing is that there's no need for the pool to be closed<br><br>You have to pay to use the loos in Macdonalds?<br>But I echo what Norse said about having them at all<br><br>There is a pretty bad road junction near me where two main roads and 2 motorways all meet. They're doing some stuff to it atm, but whatever they've done in the past hasn't worked. Its always queued, that's how it goes. People have adjusted.
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Postby VisibilityMissing » Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:03 pm

These measures all sound pretty strong. . . <br><br>But, the articles don't seem to point out that any large convention like this is now a potential terrorist target. Most people in the US are still not used to dealing with the type of security that has to go along with these events, and traffic flow in and out of an urban center would be of crucial importance to watch for this.<br><br>It sounds like things are going a little overboard, but our pre-2001 history on keeping large events safe was not good either: Remember the Chicago dem convention of the sixties, or more currently the WTO riots in Seattle.<br><br>So, even though this sounds tough, Boston is probably justified in bringing in as much security control as possible. As much as the next person, I wish and pray that we will someday live in a world where this is not the case, but we really do now.<br><br>Links:<br><br><a href='http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1553/' target='_blank'>Chicago Democratic Convention, 1968</a><br><br><a href='http://content.lib.washington.edu/wtoweb/' target='_blank'>Seattle World Trade Orginization Convention, 1999</a>
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Postby norsenerd » Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:00 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-VisibilityMissing+Jul 16 2004, 03:03 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (VisibilityMissing @ Jul 16 2004, 03:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> or more currently the WTO riots in Seattle. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> And then a few months later the WTO meating in Washington went off without much of a hitch. Sure there were protests and arests and some damage but I don;t think any deaths and it was quite orderly. Security had somethign to do with that. This was pre 9-11 btw.
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Postby VisibilityMissing » Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:10 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-norsenerd+Jul 16 2004, 04:00 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (norsenerd @ Jul 16 2004, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> This was pre 9-11 btw. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Um, I believe that we established that in this paragraph:<br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> It sounds like things are going a little overboard, but our pre-2001 history on keeping large events safe was not good either: Remember the Chicago dem convention of the sixties, or more currently the WTO riots in Seattle.<br><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>All of the things that are named in the various Boston articles are things that would tie directly to the security of the downtown area. We should be thinking in terms of potential targets and means of delivery.
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Postby Ozymandias » Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:20 pm

Speaking of terrorists theres a big exercise for the emergency services to get some practice in if there was some gas/dirty bomb set off by terrorists near me this weekend. I'm not taking part. The firefighters aren't too happy to be there because there was some pay dispute not too long ago and they still haven't got what they were promised.
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Postby norsenerd » Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:23 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-VisibilityMissing+Jul 16 2004, 04:10 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (VisibilityMissing @ Jul 16 2004, 04:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-norsenerd+Jul 16 2004, 04:00 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (norsenerd @ Jul 16 2004, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> This was pre 9-11 btw. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Um, I believe that we established that in this paragraph:<br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> It sounds like things are going a little overboard, but our pre-2001 history on keeping large events safe was not good either: Remember the Chicago dem convention of the sixties, or more currently the WTO riots in Seattle.<br><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>All of the things that are named in the various Boston articles are things that would tie directly to the security of the downtown area. We should be thinking in terms of potential targets and means of delivery. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Excpet I was refering to the DC WTO meeting.
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Postby VisibilityMissing » Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:37 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-norsenerd+Jul 16 2004, 06:23 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (norsenerd @ Jul 16 2004, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <br>Excpet I was refering to the DC WTO meeting. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>OK, Norse, and my point was and still is that Chicago and Seattle were both examples of events that went haywire and are the reason why security has been stepped up. You have just made my point, with the DC example.<br><br>The security measures in Boston may sound like an extreme example, but with the urban density in Massachussetts providing a very good target, it is not surprising. And it may even be necessary!
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