John Kerry's Running mate has been chosen

[Miles E Traysandor]

<a href='http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... _president' target='_blank'>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... br>Discuss. Let's hope they bury Bush in a landslide.

[norsenerd]

I'm stil hoping to be Llewelly's sofa. *fingures crosed*

[Arloest]

I'm so glad Kerry picked Edwards. It takes two Johns to clean the poo out of the white house.

[Sabre]

Oooh what a shocker.<br><br>No one saw this comming. <!--emo&:rolleyes:--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... lleyes.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rolleyes.gif' /><!--endemo--> <br><br>Kerry looks like a potato and edwards looks like kerry 100 years ago.(just an opinion:P)<br><br><br>Its the first time I can vote, and I dont think im gonna.

[Arloest]

Do you want Bush out of the White House or not?<br>This is a serious question, I don't know.

[Zaaphod]

<!--QuoteBegin-Dragon Wing+Jul 6 2004, 07:18 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Dragon Wing @ Jul 6 2004, 07:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Do you want Bush out of the White House or not?<br>This is a serious question, I don't know. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> I do, because I don't think he's been a very good president. Of course, there isn't any guarantee that Kerry will be any better.<br>

[Zylo]

I'm not a Kerry fan, but I'm also not a Bush fan. I liked Edwards more than I like Kerry, but I still don't like any of them very much.<br><br>I'm glad I'm only 17.

[Miles E Traysandor]

When in doubt, you could always vote Llewellyn... at least it wouldn't be a vote for Bush.

[Ozymandias]

<!--QuoteBegin-Dragon Wing+Jul 7 2004, 03:12 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Dragon Wing @ Jul 7 2004, 03:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I'm so glad Kerry picked Edwards. It takes two Johns to clean the poo out of the white house. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Do u write campaign advertising slogans? Or did u copy it off the news?

[Softpaw]

<!--QuoteBegin-Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower+Jul 7 2004, 11:55 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower @ Jul 7 2004, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> When in doubt, you could always vote Llewellyn... at least it wouldn't be a vote for Bush. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> At this point, any vote for someone other than Kerry is a vote for Bush.

[norsenerd]

<!--QuoteBegin-FelixLockhart+Jul 7 2004, 04:40 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (FelixLockhart @ Jul 7 2004, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower+Jul 7 2004, 11:55 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower @ Jul 7 2004, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> When in doubt, you could always vote Llewellyn... at least it wouldn't be a vote for Bush. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>At this point, any vote for someone other than Kerry is a vote for Bush. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> No it's not. The vote is still goign to someone else.

[Salad Man]

<!--QuoteBegin-norsenerd+Jul 7 2004, 05:52 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (norsenerd @ Jul 7 2004, 05:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-FelixLockhart+Jul 7 2004, 04:40 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (FelixLockhart @ Jul 7 2004, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower+Jul 7 2004, 11:55 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Miles Cerulean Celebi Prower @ Jul 7 2004, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> When in doubt, you could always vote Llewellyn... at least it wouldn't be a vote for Bush. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>At this point, any vote for someone other than Kerry is a vote for Bush. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>No it's not. The vote is still goign to someone else.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Well, it might as well go to George Bush. Face it- it's a two-party system. Nader and other third-party candidates have roughly a snowball's chance in Hell of winning.<br><br>Normally, I wouldn't care, but George Bush is really screwing the country and/or world up. The Democrats are the only non-Republicans who have a shot. Unfortunately, while the right is more or less unified behind Bush, the left seems to be divided among Kerry, Nader, and others.<br><br>Remember, <a href='http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvo ... nyway.com/' target='_blank'>John Kerry is a douche bag, but I'm voting for him anyway</a>.

[Zylo]

Yea, 3rd parties have historically done little more than take away support from one of the major parties. And there are a lot of die-hard Bushies out there, and it will take full support to get Bush out of office.

[Softpaw]

Wow, I'm not the only one who sees things that way here <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[norsenerd]

O.K O.K.<br><br>1) By the same logic isn;t a vote for someone other then Bush a vote for Kerry? If I vote 3rd party which one am I voting for and why?<br><br>2) While we llive in a 2 party system and third parties <b>usualy</b> have a snowballs chance in hell tehy're still important. If teh Democrats don;'t propose a platform to get my socialist vote then why shoould I suport them. I don;t want to suport somethign I don;t think is right and I am not going to vote just bcause one is the leser of two evils. I'm not goign to vote for somethign or someone I think is evil.<br><br> Third partioes have served to pull a major party away from center. I supose in 1932 one coudl say that a vote for the socailists was a vote for the republicans but the democratic party included a good deal of the socalist parry platform in thier own platform that year. They were able to sway enough socialists on board not to hve them thrwo the election.<br><br> When and if I review the domocratic party platform if it isn;t liberal enough for my tasts I won;t vote for them and it's their own fault not mine. What you're using is a scare tatic. I'm trying to be frigteneded into casting my vote for soemthign I may nto suport and it's desgusting. Maybe the Democrats should try and win the liberal base instead of becomine conservitive and scaring voters into a bad choice. The rebublicans did the same (except to their conservitive base) in 1994 and it seamed to work well for them. That polocy is continuing even to today and no wounder the rebublicans are more secure then the democrats. The rebublicans have some actul convitions. We have perhaps the most conservitive president since Hover (though all 3 REgan presidents come close) today.<br><br> There was another time when people bought very willingly into the two party system and had both parties giving a rats behind aobut third parties and fighting almost excusivl for the center. This time was aroudn 1870 until abotut he turn of the century. The populests broke that eventuly creating the second and last proesidential election that wasn't two parties. Teh populest gained lots of suport and they were an extreem party. The Kansas part even took the legeslature by force once. Teh populest revolution borught such things as term limits (even though the presidentil term limits didn;t coem into later), direct election of senitors, referendum, inteitive, and recal, and basicly moved polotics closer to the poeple.<br><br> You may be thining "polotics closer to teh people, but isn;t that a good thing.," but look aroudn you and look at yourselfs. Do you want these people making the decisions of your country. Wehn this nation was formed it was a Rbpublic. Our foundign fathers set up a system in which the comon man was kepet out of polotics and polotions coudl do what they woudl think what's best for this country instead of chasing opinion polls. Since Eisenhower (I'm not entirly sure abotu Eisenhower of Truman) I would say we have had very few presidents that rulled with convition: CArter and REgan.<br><br> The two bigest things to brign polotics to the people were the Jacksonian revolution and the populast revolution and both have made lasting stains on your national and local polotics. If ti wernt; for the popul.est revolution Senetors would be able to make their decisions with the national good in mind instead of their next re-election campaign, Arnold Shwatrzenager wouldn't have been elected govenor in California, and perhaps Bill Clinton woudl be servign a thinrd term. For thsoe of you who say they want Bush out, I think Clinton woudl have done a better job these past three in a half years.<br><br> Please don;t let partisin polotics trap us into another mistake. At-least let me vote my convitions and maybe you shoudl vote yours but how you vote is up to you. Maybe if we can get the Democrats to adopt some convictions the repblicans won;t be running polotics even when and if the democrats are in power.