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Postby Softpaw » Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:16 am

And in the mean time, Bush will get our tails nuked. If he gets re-elected, I'm blaming people like you and moving to Canada.<br><br>[EDIT: Whew! Almost let a bunch of angry cussing through!]

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Postby NHJ BV » Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:34 am

<!--QuoteBegin-norsenerd+Jul 8 2004, 12:19 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (norsenerd @ Jul 8 2004, 12:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> 1) By the same logic isn;t a vote for someone other then Bush a vote for Kerry? If I vote 3rd party which one am I voting for and why? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> I'm not really into American 3rd party politics but the third parties are mostly left-winged meaning they will snoop votes off Kerry not Bush. Your reasoning against voting for Kerry and for a third party is valid, but the problem is that voting for the third party which suits your own political stance increases the chance of Bush getting elected. It sucks, but it's the (screwed up, imo) way the American two-party/electoral college system works.
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Postby Muninn » Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:17 am

The problem is most of the voting public in America leans more to center right or even further in that direction and the opposite stance mostly receives bad press which is where most people get their impartial news from. Thus left policy appears like a sissy option to the strong-willed right. Democrats have to cater to the majority and present policies that more lenient or swaying people wouldn't shy away from. This of course makes the Democrats appear to be indecisive and inconsistent with what the majority view them as - the left wing alternative. The Republicans don't have to do this (or rather as much of this) because their voter base is firm, thus they pull the strong leadership card while making the opposititon look weak.

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Postby Sabre » Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:28 pm

Lets all just vote for Nader.

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Postby Salad Man » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:34 pm

Hehe.<br><br><a href='http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.ph ... _8138.html' target='_blank'>Nader.</a><br><br>(If that, for whatever reason doesn't work, go <a href='http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/t ... ?p=corddry' target='_blank'>here</a> and click on "Spoiler Alert.")
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Postby Ozymandias » Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:12 pm

3rd parties and floating voters were the reason Hiltler came to power. It could still work with llewellyn...
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Postby norsenerd » Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:47 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-FelixLockhart+ul 8 2004, 01:16 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (FelixLockhart @ ul 8 2004, 01:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> And in the mean time, Bush will get our tails nuked. If he gets re-elected, I'm blaming people like you and moving to Canada.<br><br>[EDIT: Whew! Almost let a bunch of angry cussing through!]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Yes. Respond to my arguments with an iresonable relpyly that dosnt; touch anythign I say. Maybe you will make a good polotition.<br><br><br><!--QuoteBegin-NHJ BV+Jul 8 2004, 03:34 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (NHJ BV @ Jul 8 2004, 03:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-norsenerd @ Jul 8 2004+ 12:19 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (norsenerd @ Jul 8 2004 @  12:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <br>1) By the same logic isn;t a vote for someone other then Bush a vote for Kerry? If I vote 3rd party which one am I voting for and why?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>I'm not really into American 3rd party politics but the third parties are mostly left-winged meaning they will snoop votes off Kerry not Bush. Your reasoning against voting for Kerry and for a third party is valid, but the problem is that voting for the third party which suits your own political stance increases the chance of Bush getting elected. It sucks, but it's the (screwed up, imo) way the American two-party/electoral college system works. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>There are plenty of third parties that tipikly take votes away form Republicans. The libitarian part is porbably the bigeste xample. The reason why in this election it's wokring out like you say it is is because the Republicans are covering their conservitive base much more hten the Democrats are covering their liberal base. The Democrats are center right and that's not where I want them to be so if I have to risk helping throw the election to Bush again then that's what I have to do. It's the most efectinve and nly practical way to getting the Democrats to become liberal again.<br><br>Felix: Do you want gay marage to be a real national issue. The way to do that is to put preasure ont he Democrats to <b>seriously</b> take up this issue. If tehy are secure wiht your vote that won;t happen. Make them work for your vote instead of takign you for graunted and usign the oposition to scare you.<br><br><br><!--QuoteBegin-Jacob+Jul 8 2004, 06:17 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Jacob @ Jul 8 2004, 06:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> The problem is most of the voting public in America leans more to center right or even further in that direction and the opposite stance mostly receives bad press which is where most people get their impartial news from. Thus left policy appears like a sissy option to the strong-willed right. Democrats have to cater to the majority and present policies that more lenient or swaying people wouldn't shy away from. This of course makes the Democrats appear to be indecisive and inconsistent with what the majority view them as - the left wing alternative. The Republicans don't have to do this (or rather as much of this) because their voter base is firm, thus they pull the strong leadership card while making the opposititon look weak.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>There are plenty of libewral minded voters out there it's just that they're overlooked. Also the reason why the left gets bad press is becayse the Democrats play to the center. If the Democrats push liber isues like the Republicans push conmservitive ones then the press will even out and the liberal base will show.<br><br><br><!--QuoteBegin-Ozymandias+Jul 8 2004, 01:12 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Ozymandias @ Jul 8 2004, 01:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> 3rd parties and floating voters were the reason Hiltler came to power. It could still work with llewellyn...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Votting for the Socialists or for NAder or ANY of the other third parties in America today is very diferent then voting for the nationalists in Germany during the Weihmar republic. These are two completly diferent set of circomstances.<br><br><br>Even if Kery does win the presadancy the way polotics is workign right now theRepublicans will still have a heavy hand in what he does. The Republicans know much more how to put preasure on the Democrats then the Democrats know how to put preasure on the Rebulbicans. If the Democrats wen;rt so timid then they could have amde the job a lot ahrder for the Republicans and forced more comporomise. Tell me again how Bush was able to get 60 votes for his tax cut bill that almost all Democrats are seathing at now.
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Postby Ozymandias » Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:53 pm

I know, thats why I said Llewelly not Nader or anyone else. It was kinda a joke
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Postby Arloest » Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:15 am

<!--QuoteBegin-Ozymandias+Jul 7 2004, 10:56 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Ozymandias @ Jul 7 2004, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-Dragon Wing+Jul 7 2004, 03:12 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Dragon Wing @ Jul 7 2004, 03:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I'm so glad Kerry picked Edwards. It takes two Johns to clean the poo out of the white house. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Do u write campaign advertising slogans? Or did u copy it off the news? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Nah, I just made that up myself.<br><br>I do concur, I agree with Nader on a lot more things than I do with Kerry. But, basically, most of America is either going to vote for Bush or or Kerry. And a person who votes for Nader would most likely vote for Kerry, not Bush, if Nader for some reason dropper out of the race. So, Nader does take votes away from Kerry.<br><br>That's why I'm voting for Kerry. He may not be the best, but he's sure better than what we have now.
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Postby Muninn » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:50 am

Maybe Kerry and the Democrats are only <i>acting</i> center right to win the election, where afterwards they will show their real liberal ways.

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Postby norsenerd » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:25 pm

That woudl be a welcome surprise but I have to go on what they say bofrehand. There is no other way to do so.
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Postby Ozymandias » Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:56 pm

When I get to vote Im gonna be a Floating Voter
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Postby Softpaw » Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:45 am

<!--QuoteBegin-norsenerd+Jul 8 2004, 02:47 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (norsenerd @ Jul 8 2004, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-FelixLockhart+ul 8 2004, 01:16 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (FelixLockhart @ ul 8 2004, 01:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> And in the mean time, Bush will get our tails nuked. If he gets re-elected, I'm blaming people like you and moving to Canada.<br><br>[EDIT: Whew! Almost let a bunch of angry cussing through!]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Yes. Respond to my arguments with an iresonable relpyly that dosnt; touch anythign I say. Maybe you will make a good polotition.<br><br>{Felix has clipped the rest of this long f***ing post} <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> I'm tired of arguing over this. My point has been made, and I only hope you get a grasp on reality before November.<br><br>Flame wars = Yucky

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Postby hdofu » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:58 am

Can he like contact my Grandma whose crossed over <!--emo&:ph34r:--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /ph34r.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ph34r.gif' /><!--endemo--> <br><br>*hears a whisper in his ear*<br><br>whisper: wrong guy.<br><br>Opps.... my bad... <!--emo&:P--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--><br><br>anyway my vote would never go to Kerry, not even with edwards along for the ride. I'd vote 3rd party before I voted that guy.
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Postby norsenerd » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:27 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-FelixLockhart+Jul 12 2004, 11:45 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (FelixLockhart @ Jul 12 2004, 11:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-norsenerd+Jul 8 2004, 02:47 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (norsenerd @ Jul 8 2004, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-FelixLockhart+ul 8 2004, 01:16 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (FelixLockhart @ ul 8 2004, 01:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> And in the mean time, Bush will get our tails nuked. If he gets re-elected, I'm blaming people like you and moving to Canada.<br><br>[EDIT: Whew! Almost let a bunch of angry cussing through!]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Yes. Respond to my arguments with an iresonable relpyly that dosnt; touch anythign I say. Maybe you will make a good polotition.<br><br>{Felix has clipped the rest of this long f***ing post} <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I'm tired of arguing over this. My point has been made, and I only hope you get a grasp on reality before November.<br><br>Flame wars = Yucky <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Right because reality consitantly conlficts with history.<br><br>And how was your point made again? Tell me beause all I see is the sarcastic coment and the over used soundbite. Maybe you should try and make your point with facts and logic before trying to take the high ground.
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