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Postby Softpaw » Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:53 am

<!--QuoteBegin-darkdragon+Sep 29 2004, 10:13 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (darkdragon @ Sep 29 2004, 10:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Have no clue what that means but I don't care because I am right MMUUHAHAHAH JOHN KERRY IS A LYING DOUCHE BAG your just mad because I found a lie john kerry told like a million times to every body in am America man he sure does take up after clinton <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Smokescale said it best, it takes very little to actually get a Purple Heart medal, and the fact that Kerry has three of them is rather petty compared to some other prominent commanders who have dozens. The whole thing is too insignificant to be an election issue regardless of the spin put on it by the media.<br><br>Go find some AOL-lamer forum where your attitude has a chance of getting you somewhere. I don't have the patience to deal with this sort of flame-baiting immature bullsh*t.

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Postby Sakie » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:24 pm

Well all Kerry manely talks about in his speaches is how he serverd in the Veitnam war.

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Postby Henohenomoheji » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:04 pm

STOP IT! STOP IT BOTH OF YOU!!! CAN'T YOU SEE YOUR CONSTANT ARGUING IS TEARING US APART?!?!?!<br><br>...where did that line origionally come from? <br><br>I'm so clueless <!--emo&:P--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--><br><br>but seriously. Cut it out, you guys.
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Postby Softpaw » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:54 am

Aww, but it's so fun! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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Postby Sakie » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:10 pm

Ya it is fun

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Postby Septimius Severus » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:23 pm

There are people, my child, who are completely oblivious to sarcasm. They are not to be trusted.
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Postby Henohenomoheji » Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:49 am

or roasted with marshmallows. Grahm Crackers are okay, but you might wanna add a bit of cinnimon to lessen the bitter something or other of them.
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Postby Tavis » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:54 am

This isn't about lying, or pasts that people want to spin out of proportion. This is about finding a candidate fit for office, and trying to find a president that will best lead the country into accomplishing what needs to be done. So, the natural questions to be raised are, what is it that the US needs to do, what is it that the US wants to do, and who is best suited for filling those needs?<br><br>Since that last question cannot be properly answered without answering the first two, lets get them on the table. What does the US need?

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Postby Septimius Severus » Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:01 am

What the world needs now...<br><br><br><br><br>Is war. Lots of it.
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Postby Ankaris » Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:37 pm

Nah, that's what Bush needs!<br><br>*ducks projectiles*<br><br>Anyway. To bring in the view of a foreigner to this whole military service issue, it looks like this.<br><br>Bush - Weased out of frontline service.<br>Kerry - Didn't.<br><br>In all honesty, I don't think many care how many medals / awards Kerry got, although hero stories are fun for them. The simple fact he served in a well-known combat zone is enough.
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Postby Sakie » Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:33 pm

Dude Kerry did Weased out of frontline service.

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Postby Softpaw » Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:53 pm

Prove it, dd.

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Postby Septimius Severus » Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:54 pm

He avoided front-line service by not avoiding it. How very zen of him.<br><br><br><br>There were plenty of regulars in the military who never went to Vietnam, and many Air National Guard units wound up in Vietnam.
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Postby Tavis » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:03 am

Here are some of the things I felt had to be brought up in response to a couple things mentioned here already. You accuse Bush of being a draft dodger. Okay, maybe joining the Texas Air National Guard may seem that way, but so would attending college... There is always a chance you can be sent to war, and being on the national guard is better than doing nothing. You all are quite adept at poking insults at Bush, so I better try to balance things out.<br><br>How about taking a look at Kerry's exemplary record? In the forefront, fighting in Vietnam sounds very much like he really was working hard to defend peace. I mean, look at that, three Purple Hearts! Ooh.. shiny.<br><br><a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservi ... tation.pdf' target='_blank'>Purple Heart #1 Citation</a> for injury sustained on 2 December 1968 <br><a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservi ... tation.pdf' target='_blank'>Purple Heart #2 Citation</a> for injury sustained on 20 February 1969<br><a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservi ... tation.pdf' target='_blank'>Purple Heart #2 Citation</a> for injury sustained on 3 March 1969<br><br>Wow, and all within a period of four months, these wounds had officially ended Kerry's tour of duty in Vietnam. He may have been a serviceman for a long time, but the Vietnam war had to be longer than <i>that</i>. It all sounds too suspicious. Okay, here is a paper requesting John Kerry's <a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservi ... gnment.pdf' target='_blank'>Reassignment</a> following the three injuries he sustained from Vietnam.<br><br>What were those injuries? I was looking for a primary source, but haven't yet found any. You are more than welcome to share them if you can. A poster on <a href='http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1065436/posts' target='_blank'>FreeRepublic</a> states that they were from:<ul><li>a wound on his arm</li><li>a minor shrapnel wound in his left thigh, and</li><li>a mine, which slightly wounded Kerry's right arm.</li></ul>A lot of other places claim that some of these were self-inflicted, and other <a href='http://www.swiftvets.com/' target='_blank'>swift boat veterans</a> claim the injuries to be based on outright lies. With all the swiftboat controversy and <a href='http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5843388/' target='_blank'>disputes</a> by people who support or deny Kerry's claims that they were from enemy fire, there is just too much of a mess to show you a clear image. Of course, one thing was certain; the injuries couldn't have been severe enough to keep him from duty. The request to be transferred would have to be at least with Kerry's support, but anyone who really felt strongly about fulfilling his duty would not be so quick to turn tail over three noncrippling wounds. He transferred. He walked out on them. He broke his word.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin-Septimius Severus+Oct 3 2004, 04:54 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Septimius Severus @ Oct 3 2004, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> He avoided front-line service by not avoiding it. How very zen of him.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>How very zen indeed.<br><br>Even excusing that (since I have no frame of reference for how severe a shrapnel wound would feel), he alienated many vets, his own peers and fellow soldiers, by writing of many atrocities committed that others say did not happen in Vietnam. Who is lying? Hard to say for sure, but Kerry is not fully without suspicion.<br><br>Kerry has spoken up against Iraq's interim prime minister, Ayad Allawi, claiming that the PM has been trying to put a good face on the war in Iraq and is downplaying the terorist movements there, all but outright accusing him of lying. <i>This</i> is what you want in foreign relations? In order to support his accusations, Kerry would need to offer some proof that there is more than pockets of resistance in Iraq, but that is not going to happen. Lies? Maybe not, but his dispute has no merit.<br><br>As for the debates, I think anyone declaring either person a winner of the debate is trying to spin the results. I saw those debates, and all it made clear was their philosophical differences, and I have to say, they both have made valid as well as invalid arguments that I wish to bring up in the other topic as soon as I have reviewed the transcripts and made sure I covered everything discussed there.

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Postby Salad Man » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:25 am

<!--QuoteBegin-Tavis+Oct 3 2004, 10:03 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Tavis @ Oct 3 2004, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Of course, one thing was certain; the injuries couldn't have been severe enough to keep him from duty. The request to be transferred would have to be at least with Kerry's support, but anyone who really felt strongly about fulfilling his duty would not be so quick to turn tail over three noncrippling wounds. He transferred. He walked out on them. He broke his word.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>In Vietnam, you had to report <i>every</i> wound you got, no matter how minor. Otherwise, you'd be prone to jungle rot. Not only that, but he would have been in direct violation of orders, had they not been reported.<br><br>All you have to do to recieve a Purple Heart is be wounded in action and then report that you were wounded.<br><br>So, even if they weren't crippling injuries, he still would have been awarded the Purple Heart. Three Purple Hearts and you're gone. Bazzam.<br><br>But frankly, the entire discussion about what each canidate did over 30 years ago is pretty stupid.
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