Espionage and Intrigue in Geneva

Richard K Niner · Postby **Richard K Niner** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:50 pm

The UN was apparently <a href='http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/ ... 41217.html' target='_blank'>bugged</a> a while back. That's what, the third time this year? And now it's at the HQ?

Holyman83 · Postby **Holyman83** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:31 am

wow that kinda bugs me.

dragonranpu · Postby **dragonranpu** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:06 am

Apparently the bug which was Several years old judging by the components used in it, was found while they were renovating a room. I forget which room it was.

Richard K Niner · Postby **Richard K Niner** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 3:53 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (dragonranpu @ Dec 18 2004, 12:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I forget which room it was.  </td></tr></table>  It says where they found it in the article: the salon next to the meeting room.

Ozymandias · Postby **Ozymandias** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:00 pm

I read it was in between Kofi's office and an important meeting room And the bug's supposed to be Eastern European or Russian

Ruedii-X · Postby **Ruedii-X** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:14 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Richard K Niner @ Dec 17 2004, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> The UN was apparently <a href='http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/ ... 41217.html' target='_blank'>bugged</a> a while back. That's what, the third time this year? And now it's at the HQ?  </td></tr></table>  I know espionage is a necessary part of war, and war would be far uglier without it, but there is such a thing as Sanctuary. Every religion in the world believes in it, and the two places held as sanctuary are religous buildings and diplomatic buildings. As an American, I hate to say this, but I highly suspect the US in such activities. It's sad actually. I hope one day I can make things right between the US and the world, I feel it may just be my mission in life. Maybe the things I write now could make a little difference, even this one message that many American citizens know about the crap that goes on, and are very disapproving of it, but can do little about it. Hopefully the anti-US terrorists will realize that the majority citizens of the US are oposed to these actions, and have no responsibility, and their true enemy is not the people they are fighting. The sadness of War is that neither side is ever fighting the true enemy. It is a serious problem.

dragonranpu · Postby **dragonranpu** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:19 pm

Yea but the Terrorists are fighting for a religous belief. So in a way, becuase of their religion all americans are the enemy because of the religous diffrences. In history it shows that a Holy war is one of the most unstoppable there is. As for the bug it would not suprise me if it was the US. But they have do not have much of a chance of finding out who put it there is the first place.

IRT_BMT_IND · Postby **IRT_BMT_IND** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:19 am

Wow, That's like something out of a Robert Ludlum Novel. I wonder how they set up the bug with the UN's high security

Ruedii-X · Postby **Ruedii-X** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:30 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (dragonranpu @ Dec 18 2004, 05:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Yea but the Terrorists are fighting for a religous belief. So in a way, becuase of their religion all americans are the enemy because of the religous diffrences. In history it shows that a Holy war is one of the most unstoppable there is.  </td></tr></table>  Yeah, but they thrive on propigating their extremest beliefs, thus if they can't propigate their extremism, they can't function. BTW, I disagree with the term "the Terrorists" as there are numberous other terrorist organizations that are of great threat, including drug cartels, and organized crime syndicates.

dragonranpu · Postby **dragonranpu** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:36 am

WHile I never concidered Crime organization such as cartels and drug rings to be terrorists, I do agree that they are a great threat as well. Let me say I am sorry for labeling people as I usually try not to. I do understand that they are fighting for what they believe is right and that in itself should not make then terrorists. However the world does see them as such.

Ruedii-X · Postby **Ruedii-X** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:25 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (dragonranpu @ Dec 19 2004, 03:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> WHile I never concidered Crime organization such as cartels and drug rings to be terrorists, I do agree that they are a great threat as well. Let me say I am sorry for labeling people as I usually try not to. I do understand that they are fighting for what they believe is right and that in itself should not make then terrorists. However the world does see them as such. </td></tr></table>  Well, the soldiars, yes, however I do not see clear intentions in the leaders, dispite the fact that the soldiars are convinced they have good intentions. If Osama Bin Laden is such a nobel fighter, why does he use human sheilds of inocent Muslems, and why does he hide in holy places for sanctuary for unjust reasons? The second I say is a sin against belief, and not to be punished by man, but the first, is clearly a war crime, and highly unethical by any standard. Many times the human sheilds he uses are blackmaled, or don't even know they are being used as human sheilds. Often they do not share his beleifs. This is how he has prevented us from bombing him, as if they were mearly other terrorists, and not inocents, we would have hit him with a cruise missile over a decade ago, taking them all out, as they were soldiars, and understood that their life was on the line. However, they are not soldiars, and thus we cannot ethically kill them to get at Bin Laden. --Amendum I believe that if someone that is mearly following orders due to being convinced they are doing the right thing, their leaders should be held responsible, and exceptions should only be considered if they directly understood that what they were doing was unethical and immoral. However, in times of war, it is unfortunately a necessity to sometimes eliminate an enemy by lethal means, but this should be weighed with more caution than one puts on it. However, If an enemy that is not to be held responsible is captured, I beleive they should be treated with diginaty, and just held until they are no longer a substancial threat to peace. In wars, the ones who give orders are the ones who are to be held responsible, not the ones who carry them out.

Ozymandias · Postby **Ozymandias** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:20 pm

Day by day I see more parallels between the US and the ancient Roman Empire...

dragonranpu · Postby **dragonranpu** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:41 pm

Ruedii-X I would have to agree with your statements. You made some very good points about the state of am army. While I do not agree with their methods nor do I condone them. I do however have to respect them for the fact that most of them are fighting for their beliefs. I just wish they wouold use diffrent methods and that no one would fight and kill each other. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />

Ruedii-X · Postby **Ruedii-X** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:27 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Ozymandias @ Dec 19 2004, 12:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Day by day I see more parallels between the US and the ancient Roman Empire...  </td></tr></table>  Same here. Sometimes I wonder if it's my destiny be part of stopping all this one day. Maybe that is the only reason I still have loyalty for this country, and haven't left for Canada.

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