The wonders of science.

[Ibun]

<a href='http://my.webmd.com/content/article/97/ ... 5024_hv_03' target='_blank'>It's finally here.</a><br><br>After years and years of scientific work, a breakthrough is made. Hopefully many lives will be saved.

[Richard K Niner]

<!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> [...]colleagues at the University of Paris in France and Pernambuco Federal University in Recife, Brazil, tested the vaccine on 18 Brazilian patients.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>That is not a large test sample. And so...<br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> The researchers warn that their study is only proof of principle. It's still not clear which patients do best with the vaccine[...]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Don't put your hopes up yet - it's nowhere near ready for public consumption. Wait for the large-scale clinical trials.

[Ibun]

<!--QuoteBegin-Richard K Niner+Dec 3 2004, 03:40 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Richard K Niner @ Dec 3 2004, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> [...]colleagues at the University of Paris in France and Pernambuco Federal University in Recife, Brazil, tested the vaccine on 18 Brazilian patients.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>That is not a large test sample. And so...<br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> The researchers warn that their study is only proof of principle. It's still not clear which patients do best with the vaccine[...]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Don't put your hopes up yet - it's nowhere near ready for public consumption. Wait for the large-scale clinical trials. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> This is all true; but progress is progress, don't you agree? We weren't even this far 5 years ago were we?

[Richard K Niner]

<!--QuoteBegin-sirjeffrey+Dec 3 2004, 04:13 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (sirjeffrey @ Dec 3 2004, 04:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> This is all true; but progress is progress, don't you agree? We weren't even this far 5 years ago were we?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>It had to happen eventually, so it doesn't really surprise me. After all, <a href='http://www.ozyandmillie.org/2002/om20020322.html' target='_blank'>"[...] those who invent are simply the vessels of inevitability."</a><img src='http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/94831.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[Dr. Dos]

<!--QuoteBegin-Richard K Niner+Dec 4 2004, 07:25 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Richard K Niner @ Dec 4 2004, 07:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <img src='http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/94831.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> I know this isn't the thread for this but i demand this be made an emoticon.<br><br>Also that's pretty awesome. I'm just wondering why it's not even mentioned on Yahoo. Not even one of those "hey after we test this we may manage to do x, prevent y, and finally achieve z with our nonexistantletterafterZpleasesubstituteachineseletterorsomething" articles.

[Gizensha]

This is great news, it really shows progress is being made (though in this case I'd say a double blind trial would be somewhat unethical, so I'm not sure how they're going to do the full scale clinical trial...)

[Richard K Niner]

<!--QuoteBegin-Dr. Dos+Dec 3 2004, 06:14 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Dr. Dos @ Dec 3 2004, 06:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-Richard K Niner+Dec 4 2004, 07:25 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Richard K Niner @ Dec 4 2004, 07:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <img src='http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/94831.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I know this isn't the thread for this but i demand this be made an emoticon.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I stuck that one in the smilies thread a while back, with a few others. <a href='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... st&p=46941' target='_blank'>Right here</a>, in fact.

[Zaaphod]

This is good news. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--><br>

[erikbarrett]

Well, this certainly is interesting. A HIV vaccine? However, at the current state, it can't be administered to more than one person at all. It's progress, but here's hoping it will lead to something that can be more widely used, or that the process can be engineered to work with more people faster. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[dragonranpu]

Well I think it is excelent news for the HIV community. It is not suprising how it works since HIV turns off the immune system this turns the imune system back on.

[Richard K Niner]

In other medical news, a new treatment for paralysis was tested on animals. <a href='http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Conten ... alogin=yes' target='_blank'>Here's the results</a>. Perhaps, somewhere down the road, a similar treatment may appear for people?

[Supersmoke]

Once they find actual vaccines for AIDS and HIV, people will have more careless sex. More rape. More whores. ETC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br> I say don't make a vaccine for those people. They're the ones ruining children's lives.

[Ozymandias]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there - a vaccine will always be more expensive than a condom. It won't do anything to inflate these causes - after all, there are plenty more other STIs that a condom will stop that this vaccine won't.<br><br>I think that whilst it's not there completely, a large step has been made forward and that's good.

[Gizensha]

<!--QuoteBegin-Ozymandias+Dec 5 2004, 10:31 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Ozymandias @ Dec 5 2004, 10:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I'm gonna have to disagree with you there - a vaccine will always be more expensive than a condom. It won't do anything to inflate these causes - after all, there are plenty more other STIs that a condom will stop that this vaccine won't. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Especially considering as long as you don't want a flavoured one, you can get condoms for free in the UK.<br><br>Though, 'for free' is what most things are on the NHS, so... But alot less quick and convienient.

[Supersmoke]

But I considered factors such as the mentality Mtv creates.<br>"Have sex! Sex is Good! Do drugs! This is girl is sexy, thus girls that look like her are the girls you want to have sex with!"<br><br>If people get the idea in their head that they can get vaccinated for HIV or AIDS or STDs, they'll get the idea in their heads that they can go around doing whoever they want as much as they want, without worry or care.<br>STDs and the like are nature's way of saying "don't be a whore," or "don't reproduce so much." By taking away these things, humans are just setting up the world for overpopulation.<br><br>I admit, there's people in the world who get AIDS and HIV unfairly. But if people get it from too much sex, then let those people die, and give treatment to those who deserve it.