Yeah, about religion...

[Miles E Traysandor]

Long live Avery-ism! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... iggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Supersmoke]

Read my sig.<br><br>Period.

[Ibun]

<!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> The faith of human beings is a pitiful ideal. People believe in things that would benefit them or that seem to provide a great happiness. People choose to have faith in these ideas. They believe in God, in heaven, in hell, in reincarnation. They think that there is something after death. People want something to believe in, so as to comfort themselves with the idea of death. People want to believe that there is an ever-living presence watching over themselves. But these ideas of what humans believe in are just false backfalls. People believe that God created humans, that heaven and hell are places for the souls of the dead, and that humans are reincarnated into new bodies.<br><br>It is not God that created humans, but it is humans that created God.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>I believe that the IDEA of relgion is pretty stupid. If you want to believe in god, that's fine. But why should we seperate it into what people think happened over 2000 years ago. Was Jesus a prophet, or was he just a regular guy? In the end, does it really matter? All religions (with the exception of Satanism) believe in a 'higher power'. Why fight wars over a few nuances?

[Miles E Traysandor]

<!--QuoteBegin-sirjeffrey+Sep 26 2004, 11:12 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (sirjeffrey @ Sep 26 2004, 11:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> The faith of human beings is a pitiful ideal. People believe in things that would benefit them or that seem to provide a great happiness. People choose to have faith in these ideas. They believe in God, in heaven, in hell, in reincarnation. They think that there is something after death. People want something to believe in, so as to comfort themselves with the idea of death. People want to believe that there is an ever-living presence watching over themselves. But these ideas of what humans believe in are just false backfalls. People believe that God created humans, that heaven and hell are places for the souls of the dead, and that humans are reincarnated into new bodies.<br><br>It is not God that created humans, but it is humans that created God.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>I believe that the IDEA of relgion is pretty stupid. If you want to believe in god, that's fine. But why should we seperate it into what people think happened over 2000 years ago. Was Jesus a prophet, or was he just a regular guy? In the end, does it really matter? All religions (with the exception of Satanism) believe in a 'higher power'. Why fight wars over a few nuances? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> My thoughts exactly.

[Doctor Fred]

<!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> The faith of human beings is a pitiful ideal. People believe in things that would benefit them or that seem to provide a great happiness. People choose to have faith in these ideas. They believe in God, in heaven, in hell, in reincarnation. They think that there is something after death. People want something to believe in, so as to comfort themselves with the idea of death. People want to believe that there is an ever-living presence watching over themselves. But these ideas of what humans believe in are just false backfalls. People believe that God created humans, that heaven and hell are places for the souls of the dead, and that humans are reincarnated into new bodies.<br><br>It is not God that created humans, but it is humans that created God.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Nuh-uh.

[Doctor Fred]

Alright, now I feel like a more intelectual retort:<br><br>To start off, I want it said that Super Smoke's sig (with no intended offense to him) could have easily been boiled down to one sentence: "People fabricate religion in order to comfort their fear of death." Instead, it was stretched out into a mean-sounding paragraph in order to invoke intimidation and thusly sound factual.<br><br>How it is is this: God came down from heaven and created the universe and created human life.<br><br>That goes against science. You're either going to have to accept that, or refuse to believe it happened. It's your decision.<br><br>I do not worship God because I'm afraid of what will happen to me when I die. I worship Him because I'm paying Him back for loving <i>me</i> so much.<br><br>Good day.

[Muninn]

Actually if you beleive in Deism then there is more probability that science and God can mix. The belief is in a God who created the universe and then left it to its own evolution, assuming no control or influence over life, natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.

[Septimius Severus]

Science niether proves nor disproves the existance of God or gods. The lack of information proves nothing. Of course, science is equally unsure as to whether the Earth was created by magical fairies in gorilla suits. My point is simply that science does not make judgements about that which it cannot sense. Now, a great deal of religion can be disproven with science. For example, we can determine that the interior of the earth is not hollow and filled with suffering people.<br><br>Personally, I'm something of a pantheist. I see God as the unifying presence of reality. That is to say, God is what makes an atom an atom, or what makes proteins form. More than anything, God simply is. I doubt very much that he (for lack of a better pronoun) cares what humans do. We simply aren't that important in the scheme of things. Right and Wrong is determined by how it affects us, not by some celestial absolute.<br><br>My tuppence.

[Henohenomoheji]

I'm not gonna tell you the complete details of what I believe, but part of it entails that we, the human race, are not yet evolved/smart enough to comprehend things such as religion and world peace.<br><br>that's it. I'm done with this topic. It's boring now.

[Septimius Severus]

You see evolution as having direction?

[Henohenomoheji]

I have no idea what you're talking about.<br><br>no, seriously, eleborate. whaddya mean?

[Septimius Severus]

I mean, do you think there is an ideal or purpose towards which evolution advances? The way I see it, evolution is simply a matter of animals changing over very long periods of time with no particular purpose, but simply because one set of genes manages to reproduce more efficiently than another.<br><br>Bacteria have hardly changed in billions of years, because bacteria live a very simple life, and reproduce asexually.

[Henohenomoheji]

Well, I admit I hadn't put much thought into that. My main point was to say that the human race is stupider than they think they are. I myself am included, but I'm aware of it, so I can try to fix it.<br><br>As for the evolution thingy...<br><br>Yeah, you're right, evolution doesn't go in a preset direction, but one of the possibilities could be a smarter human race is what I meant.

[Holyman83]

Here is the document I said I would make<br><a href='http://home.ripway.com/2004-8/156438/BibleandHell.rtf' target='_blank'>http://home.ripway.com/2004-8/156438/Bi ... r>Accuracy of the Bible and what the Bible says about Hell and reincarnation

[erikbarrett]

*pops head in*<br>(is this a good place to discuss evolution, or would another thread be more appropriate?)